COVID After Effects

“I’m about to put everybody on Timeout. Don’t make me turn this car around!”
Oh, wait. Wrong family. Same warning tho!

Won, stop calling people Fucktards on the forum. It’s ok in-person.
Marcelma, stop trying to convince people here to change their minds. It won’t help anything.

Won, stop calling people Fucktards on the forum. It’s ok in-person.

 

I get that his comment angered you, and your passionate about dispelling bogus information (which I agree with, for what it's worth).  But you having 12 13 posts under your belt are being directly offensive and using foul language to a member that has been here for many many years.  This is a forum, you don't have to agree with what is being said, but you cant make shit personal without being offensive.  You might just want to abandon this account and start a new one.  "You will never make your self look good by making someone else look bad."

lol, I take offense to the notion that there was an attempt to dispel, “misinformation.” All I read was angry, emotion laden, ranting and name calling while pointing toward heavily agendized sources as, “facts.”  I really see no difference between these posts and the nonsense that the rabidly anti-vax people post. 



PS…..in regards to planes, plenty of people opt not to fly on them lol.  And I’m sure there are plenty of people that perished on them that regretted their decision to fly at some point during their final descent. 

I've been reading this thread with some interest and want to offer a couple of thoughts. One is that the quote Marcela put out from www.alantic.com.science is well worth reading in regard to Robert Malone and his claims. From there I looked up the history of mRNA research. Tangled History of mRNA in nature.com/articles/d41586-02 which is an extensive overview of how the vaccine came to be. There were multiple people over decades involved. Pieces here and research experiments there were put together by scientists and drug companies till products like Pfizer and Moderna vaccines could be produced. Robert Malone's key contribution was using lipid fats as a vehicle to enter cells with "antibodies" to produce a reaction. Others, years later, after Malone had dropped the project, modified his approach which was further modified by others. Remember when it was said that Al Gore invented the internet? He put influence behind the development but countless others were involved in the creation. mRNA isn't a recent discovery rushed to market. It has a long history behind it.
On a personal note. If there was one disease terror that occupied the minds of parents, including mine, in the early 1950s it was polio and what a relief when Salk came out with the vaccine. We lined up on school premises and every kid got it. No objections. Same for smallpox and other infectious diseases. We do not hear of smallpox and polio and there is a reason why. Vaccine. Covid vaccines are not 100 percent effective but they offer a very good prospect of keeping covid from becoming as deadly as it could .

I've been reading this thread with some interest and want to offer a couple of thoughts. One is that the quote Marcela put out from www.alantic.com.science is well worth reading in regard to Robert Malone and his claims. From there I looked up the history of mRNA research. Tangled History of mRNA in nature.com/articles/d41586-02 which is an extensive overview of how the vaccine came to be. There were multiple people over decades involved. Pieces here and research experiments there were put together by scientists and drug companies till products like Pfizer and Moderna vaccines could be produced. Robert Malone's key contribution was using lipid fats as a vehicle to enter cells with "antibodies" to produce a reaction. Others, years later, after Malone had dropped the project, modified his approach which was further modified by others. Remember when it was said that Al Gore invented the internet? He put influence behind the development but countless others were involved in the creation. mRNA isn't a recent discovery rushed to market. It has a long history behind it.
On a personal note. If there was one disease terror that occupied the minds of parents, including mine, in the early 1950s it was polio and what a relief when Salk came out with the vaccine. We lined up on school premises and every kid got it. No objections. Same for smallpox and other infectious diseases. We do not hear of smallpox and polio and there is a reason why. Vaccine. Covid vaccines are not 100 percent effective but they offer a very good prospect of keeping covid from becoming as deadly as it could .

Thank you for re-focusing this on the original topic.  Despite the topic sedition (which by the way, I trully enjoy as well), I am interested to follow the original topic. 

I get that his comment angered you, and your passionate about dispelling bogus information (which I agree with, for what it's worth).  But you having 12 13 posts under your belt are being directly offensive and using foul language to a member that has been here for many many years.  This is a forum, you don't have to agree with what is being said, but you cant make shit personal without being offensive.  You might just want to abandon this account and start a new one.  "You will never make your self look good by making someone else look bad."

Won doesn't need defending, he's perfectly capable.  marcelma comes off almost as aggressive as I do.  I think we'd all get along just fine.  Won was kind of a dick to the new guy, and the new guy doesn't know that is how winter goes around here.  Let him flounder for a bit.  Like Ricky Bobby's dad said, "Hell, I was drunk when I said that."

Yeah man, Won doesn't need defending!  Wait thats me. 

And Pat...I didn't call him a fucktard, just said the fucktard police was here in response to someone referring to all the people arguing here as fucktards.  I did tell him to chill out though because he was getting too damn aggressive.  If he interpreted that as chill out fucktard, well...I can see how he came to some of his conclusions with his extensive internet research.  If he assumed he was the fucktard, then thats his own doing.   

Defund the F.T. Police!

Covid vaccines are not 100 percent effective but they offer a very good prospect of keeping covid from becoming as deadly as it could .

I offer a little different perspective from yours. Side effects aside, I see the vaccines as effective for what they are intended to do. The problem is in what they are intended to do was not/is not effectively communicated, for whatever reason.

As a reminder, Pfizer’s, Moderna’s, and J&J’s papers filed with the FDA all indicate their respective vaccines are not intended to prevent viral infection, nor will they prevent disease from viral infection, nor were they tested to see if they prevent the spread of the virus. The manufacturer's own data on the trials for all three vaccines shows there is no statistical difference in deaths – the vaccines do not reduce CoVid deaths. Nor do they reduce serious illness. Nor do they reduce moderate illness. They do, however, reduce mild illness. And they do allow the spread of the virus.

Currently, 38% of Omicron infections are fully vax'd people getting the virus form other fully vax'd people. It is families that are fully vax'd sharing the virus amongst other family members.

I get that his comment angered you, and your passionate about dispelling bogus information (which I agree with, for what it's worth).  But you having 12 13 posts under your belt are being directly offensive and using foul language to a member that has been here for many many years.  This is a forum, you don't have to agree with what is being said, but you cant make shit personal without being offensive.  You might just want to abandon this account and start a new one.  "You will never make your self look good by making someone else look bad."

Won doesn't need defending, he's perfectly capable.  marcelma comes off almost as aggressive as I do.  I think we'd all get along just fine.  Won was kind of a dick to the new guy, and the new guy doesn't know that is how winter goes around here.  Let him flounder for a bit.  Like Ricky Bobby's dad said, "Hell, I was drunk when I said that."

Yeah man, Won doesn't need defending!  Wait thats me. 

And Pat...I didn't call him a fucktard, just said the fucktard police was here in response to someone referring to all the people arguing here as fucktards.  I did tell him to chill out though because he was getting too damn aggressive.  If he interpreted that as chill out fucktard, well...I can see how he came to some of his conclusions with his extensive internet research.  If he assumed he was the fucktard, then thats his own doing.   

If we are going to make a habit of driving these folks around the town, we’re going to need a shorter bus.

Covid vaccines are not 100 percent effective but they offer a very good prospect of keeping covid from becoming as deadly as it could .

I offer a little different perspective from yours. Side effects aside, I see the vaccines as effective for what they are intended to do. The problem is in what they are intended to do was not/is not effectively communicated, for whatever reason.

As a reminder, Pfizer’s, Moderna’s, and J&J’s papers filed with the FDA all indicate their respective vaccines are not intended to prevent viral infection, nor will they prevent disease from viral infection, nor were they tested to see if they prevent the spread of the virus. The manufacturer's own data on the trials for all three vaccines shows there is no statistical difference in deaths – the vaccines do not reduce CoVid deaths. Nor do they reduce serious illness. Nor do they reduce moderate illness. They do, however, reduce mild illness. And they do allow the spread of the virus.

Currently, 38% of Omicron infections are fully vax'd people getting the virus form other fully vax'd people. It is families that are fully vax'd sharing the virus amongst other family members.

Wow, thanks for letting me know that my stepping forward, and getting one of the first doses as part of the Pfizer trials was in vain. I thought my contribution by putting my life on the line would be something to be proud of.

Covid vaccines are not 100 percent effective but they offer a very good prospect of keeping covid from becoming as deadly as it could .

I offer a little different perspective from yours. Side effects aside, I see the vaccines as effective for what they are intended to do. The problem is in what they are intended to do was not/is not effectively communicated, for whatever reason.

As a reminder, Pfizer’s, Moderna’s, and J&J’s papers filed with the FDA all indicate their respective vaccines are not intended to prevent viral infection, nor will they prevent disease from viral infection, nor were they tested to see if they prevent the spread of the virus. The manufacturer's own data on the trials for all three vaccines shows there is no statistical difference in deaths – the vaccines do not reduce CoVid deaths. Nor do they reduce serious illness. Nor do they reduce moderate illness. They do, however, reduce mild illness. And they do allow the spread of the virus.

Currently, 38% of Omicron infections are fully vax'd people getting the virus form other fully vax'd people. It is families that are fully vax'd sharing the virus amongst other family members.

Wow, thanks for letting me know that my stepping forward, and getting one of the first doses as part of the Pfizer trials was in vain. I thought my contribution by putting my life on the line would be something to be proud of.

I guess to the extend you were part of a vax trial your contribution helped the vax maker come to the conclusion on efficacy they did.

Something I wonder about is the CoVid death rate for 2021 was about ½ of what it was for 2020. If the vax does not protect against death, does that mean the reduced death rate is simple attrition? Could it be those folks sick enough to succumb to CoVid are now gone, so the death rate naturally drops?

As a reminder, Pfizer’s, Moderna’s, and J&J’s papers filed with the FDA all indicate their respective vaccines are not intended to prevent viral infection, nor will they prevent disease from viral infection, nor were they tested to see if they prevent the spread of the virus. The manufacturer's own data on the trials for all three vaccines shows there is no statistical difference in deaths – the vaccines do not reduce CoVid deaths. Nor do they reduce serious illness. Nor do they reduce moderate illness.

Did you review the filings yourself and come to this conclusion, or did someone tell you this?

Did you review the filings yourself and come to this conclusion, or did someone tell you this?

Somewhere in this 4-hr and 30-min presentation on SARS and CoVid, Dr. Richard Fleming walks through the data the three pharmas submitted to the FDA to secure EUA (emergency use authorization). My impression, after watch the presentation, is the FDA wanted a vax out there for the public to quell fears and the data presented to them, while not showing efficacy, it also did not show a vax was harmful, so “get it out there!”. Remember, when the vax was released there was a lot of fear in the public domain and all medical treatments for the disease were being suppressed. They still are being suppressed. (see note below)

https://thehighwire.com/videos/live-from-event-2021-in-dallas-tx/

2:10:15 – Starts review of pharma data given to the FDA.
2:24:30 – start of presentation interruption
2:43:45 – end of presentation interruption, restart of pharma data presentation
2:49:00 – end of pharma data presentation

Fleming is a cardiologist that patented a means to calibrate imaging machines to allow precise measurements of cardiovascular inflammation. He also pioneered the idea of inflammation being a product of disease and if medicine targets the inflammation it reduces the disease, something like that. I don’t know about that stuff, my interest in watching all 4-1/2 hrs of the video was to gleam whatever I could about CoVid. The info about the vax’s just happened to be in the presentation.

If you want to see something scary, watch the short Dept of Defense video. It is what the DoD did with mRNA technology in 2005 to modify a virus to infect and alter a person’s genes … specifically, changed the way the brain works/thinks.

2:59:10 – Explains altering gene expression
3:00:12 – DoD video start
3:04:40 – Dod video end

Note below: Don’t know who here is up to date with CoVid treatments but for those that do not know - doctors are now at a point where CoVid is completely treatable, no one, not even people with multiple comorbidity, needs to die. Literally, almost no one needs to be vax’d, now. Organ transplants do because they take meds to suppress their innate immunity. I recently heard Dr. Peter McCullough say we are at a point there is no one in the hospital with CoVid that was treated as an outpatient. I heard another doctor (who?) say now no one dies from CoVid that has a vitamin D level of 50 or above. Everyone that dies from CoVid is Vit D deficient. Problem: treating CoVid as outpatient means no money for doctors, pharma, and hospitals. The FDA is doing everything it can to shut down doctors that are successfully treating CoVid as an outpatient disease. The good news is with Omicron is most folks won’t need Rx meds (Ivermectin). The bad news is the only monoclonal antibody that works against Omicron is Sotrovimab, the GKS product. I keep checking the website for the Oakland but the Sotrovimab is seriously in demand, there are waiting lists. If you get CoVid and are in the East Bay, here is the website for monoclonal antibody therapy, get on the waiting list:

https://totalinfusion.com/covid-19/

Here is a website with both outpatient, and in-hospital, treatment protocols for CoVid. They also have a list of doctors doing telemedicine to get patients any medicines they need for successful outpatient treatment:

https://covid19criticalcare.com/

Here is the actual protocol:

https://covid19criticalcare.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/FLCCC-Alliance-I-MASKplus-Protocol-ENGLISH.pdf

From a couple days ago:

Coronavirus-infected hospital staff without symptoms can stay on the job in California

Faced with an exponential rise in COVID-19 cases across California, the state’s Department of Public Health now says that health care workers who test positive for the virus can remain on the job — at least through Feb. 1.

https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/COVID-infected-hospital-staff-without-symptoms-16762680.php


Two things that are not said:

(1) the “exponential rise in COVID-19 cases” is not important. What is important is the number of hospitalizations and deaths. From time to time I check the hospital bed occupancy rate. Pre CoVid debacle, it was around 78%. At the peak of Covid infections, it was 81%. Anytime you read or hear the hospitals are full or over flowing with CoVid patients – it is bullshit! Here, check your local hospital, it should be around 80% to max profit and still have resources for emergencies:

https://protect-public.hhs.gov/pages/hospital-utilization

(2) CoVid positive people are a non-issue unless they are symptomatic. Only with symptoms is a person able to infect others. No symptoms, no passing on the virus. Now that you know that, why area you still wearing a mask, if you don’t have CoVid symptoms?

Good morning!

(drags gasoline can)...

https://www.britannica.com/science/Dunning-Kruger-effect

Interesting. Just saying...

Fred "True" Trujillo