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Topic: Novel Coronavirus impacts  (Read 68615 times)

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bluekayak

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Spiffy, CDC and other agencies have known about these alternative approaches for months now and hopefully are studying them intently and diligently, trying to figure out how to pull us out of this nosedive

Crash, if the objective is to control the infection rate and keep the economy alive, Singapore is an imperfect model but if you look at their population density(+ the migrant workforce they depend on), their proximity to the source of the pandemic and all the travel between their country and all the other countries that also have high traffic with China, their results are pretty remarkable on both counts. A lot of other factors to look at like low mortality, but I’m not campaigning for Bernie Sanders here. Taiwan is doing even better, and maybe a few other spots in the region which by all accounts should’ve been hotspots by now. I picked Singapore because their website is well organized and it’s written in English


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RE: Coffee and stocking up: get green coffee beans and learn to roast your own. Keeps a hell of a lot longer before roasting, and can be had very cheaply if you're accustomed to buying nice coffee.

Been doing this for a long time now, but picked up just shy of 30# to tide us through the apocalypse. (I usually buy this much about once a year, lasts around 6-8 months in our house). I use a camp stove in the back yard and crank-popcorn popper to roast a pound at a time. Hot air poppers can also be used, but can't roast much at once.
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RE: Coffee and stocking up: get green coffee beans and learn to roast your own. Keeps a hell of a lot longer before roasting, and can be had very cheaply if you're accustomed to buying nice coffee.

Been doing this for a long time now, but picked up just shy of 30# to tide us through the apocalypse. (I usually buy this much about once a year, lasts around 6-8 months in our house). I use a camp stove in the back yard and crank-popcorn popper to roast a pound at a time. Hot air poppers can also be used, but can't roast much at once.

This seems like a hobby that I need in my life.

What is the best way to store green coffee?
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bluekayak

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Maybe we should start looking at every job as essential right now, meaning it keeps you from having to explain to your two young children whose father ran off why they’re moving indefinitely into their car, as one of the employees at my favorite cafe will have to if it closes like a bunch of the other businesses up and down the street. One of her coworkers is in slightly better position only because he’s single. And they‘re running that business with the same careful isolation methods and standards we use in the ICUs where I work, so for all of the above reasons I will keep getting my morning coffee there. As long as a business can be run safely why not?

This will all shake out in different ways for different people, depending on luck and circumstances. My family is tentatively among the lucky ones but we are totally reliant on two solid incomes

This morning I was in line to get coffee (6-8’) behind two other guys who were engaged in a remarkably cordial conversation. After the first guy left the other one explained that the first guy owns something like 600+ rentals, and that rent was still due and payable on rent day, no exceptions, no matter the current circumstances

After the 2008 crisis the smart people started forming real estate holding corporations and vacuuming up tens of thousands of “distressed properties”, often renting them back to the original owners at rates higher than their original mortgages

I’ll put money the people who own those corporations will be doing very well in the near future


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Sonoma County Health Dept. Orders to wear facial coverings

https://socoemergency.org/order-of-the-health-officer-facial-coverings/

The pertinent part

“ All persons shall wear facial coverings before they enter any indoor facility besides their residence, any enclosed open space, or while outdoors when the person is unable to maintain a six-foot distance from another person at all times.”

Not a blanket order to wear facial coverings anytime outside your house, wheter on your walk, or jog, or fishing etc . Just when indoors somewhere other than home or when unable to maintain distance outside.

Basically the same guidance the cdc has had fir a week.
« Last Edit: April 13, 2020, 06:38:11 PM by wizz »
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Basically the same guidance the cdc has had fir a week.

But now it's not guidance. It's an order. At least in Sonoma County.

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Hopefully the supply of masks will improve

I just came in from work and they are still in short supply, in a major medical center. Surgical masks had returned for a while but now look scarcer again, not sure if it’s because they’re being raided again as they were in the first few weeks, or if supplies aren’t coming in. For N95s we have to call a designated person who carries them in a backpack and delivers them on a per needed basis

Until last week I was being assigned to the covid units and the only times things felt unsafe was when you opened up the isolation cabinet for a mask and there weren’t any

If you know anyone who’s hoarding masks tell them to cut it out, toilet paper is one thing, masks is another


E Kayaker

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Hopefully the supply of masks will improve

I just came in from work and they are still in short supply, in a major medical center. Surgical masks had returned for a while but now look scarcer again, not sure if it’s because they’re being raided again as they were in the first few weeks, or if supplies aren’t coming in. For N95s we have to call a designated person who carries them in a backpack and delivers them on a per needed basis

Until last week I was being assigned to the covid units and the only times things felt unsafe was when you opened up the isolation cabinet for a mask and there weren’t any

If you know anyone who’s hoarding masks tell them to cut it out, toilet paper is one thing, masks is another
I read they just approved a new way to clean them for reuse with equipment that hospitals have onsite. Hopefully that will improve availability.

https://techcrunch.com/2020/04/13/fda-clears-n95-decontamination-process-that-could-clean-up-to-4-million-masks-per-day/
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RE: Coffee and stocking up: get green coffee beans and learn to roast your own. Keeps a hell of a lot longer before roasting, and can be had very cheaply if you're accustomed to buying nice coffee.

Been doing this for a long time now, but picked up just shy of 30# to tide us through the apocalypse. (I usually buy this much about once a year, lasts around 6-8 months in our house). I use a camp stove in the back yard and crank-popcorn popper to roast a pound at a time. Hot air poppers can also be used, but can't roast much at once.

This seems like a hobby that I need in my life.

What is the best way to store green coffee?

Definitely a fun little hobby. Like any other, it's possible to take it too far, but for just a little meditative coffee roasting from time to time, it's good. And hey, coffee!

Storing green coffee is pretty much like storing flour or sugar. Cool, dry place, away from where moths can get in, nothing special. We've got ours in a kitchen cabinet, and it stores for months. Maybe longer; I've never had any go bad.
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For comparison, 56,000,000 Americans have had the flu this season, 750,000 hospitalized and up to 63,000 have died.
Yes - and that's a disease that has been around for many generations, and for which you can get a vaccine (of varying efficacy, but always >0). Neither is true of COVID-19, which appears to be significantly more easily transmitted than influenza, and which has a much longer latent period (pre-symptomatic) during which time it is nevertheless transmissible. Those facts alone would make this virus extremely dangerous, given that we already have the influenza and this disease will be adding to the existing caseload in our already-marginal health care system. But wait, it gets worse - not only is COVID-19 more readily transmitted than influenza, it is also far more lethal, and even sublethal cases often result in permanent pulmonary damage.

Yeah, I'm a little sick of this flu meme. It has a political connotation that we don't need here.
To avoid political connotations it would help to stick to known facts. Facts shouldn’t be political. How do we know this results in permanent pulmonary damage if this has only been around for 6 months or less. We really don’t know what the long term effects will be. We don’t yet know that it is more lethal because we haven’t done the testing necessary to determine that. We will need to test representative samples of the population to get a scientific estimate of how many people have been asymptomatic to get an idea of how lethal covid19 is. If it is able to be transmitted before symptoms appear or in asymptomatic cases that would make it more easily transmitted. Usually the more easily transmitted, the less deadly a disease is. The more deadly, the harder it is to transmit. We really need to study this before we claim to have the facts. The stats are 63,000 died of the flu even after most of the vulnerable people have been vaccinated. That sounds pretty serious compared to the current covid19 stats. Will covid19 prove to be worse than the flu? We don’t know yet. That is one reason everyone is freaking out. Better safe than sorry. Most of what we are doing is based on fear, not facts.

We do know yet
https://www.thenewatlantis.com/imgLib/20200414_CovidweeklydeathsUSv2.jpg
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The graph shows a strong peak. That is not the whole picture on how deadly the virus is. With time we will know a lot more than we do now. To say otherwise suggests an agenda.
http://www.norcalkayakanglers.com/index.php?topic=42846.msg470404#msg470404

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The graph shows a strong peak. That is not the whole picture on how deadly the virus is. With time we will know a lot more than we do now. To say otherwise suggests an agenda.

It's true that we don't know how deadly it is yet. What it does show is the absurdity and bad faith argument of saying it's no worse than the flu. And this is happening with social distancing implemented.
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It's true that we don't know how deadly it is yet. What it does show is the absurdity and bad faith argument of saying it's no worse than the flu. And this is happening with social distancing implemented.

There are finally some real numbers available, and the current best estimate for the death rate in Santa Clara county is 0.2%, which matches well with estimates from Wuhan:

https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/04/17/1000113/up-to-4-of-silicon-valley-already-infected-with-coronavirus/
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E Kayaker

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The graph shows a strong peak. That is not the whole picture on how deadly the virus is. With time we will know a lot more than we do now. To say otherwise suggests an agenda.

It's true that we don't know how deadly it is yet. What it does show is the absurdity and bad faith argument of saying it's no worse than the flu. And this is happening with social distancing implemented.
Well you can take that up with anyone that says it is or isn’t worse than the flu. We just don’t know enough yet. While true we are socially distancing, with the flu we have a vaccine and it still kills 60-70k. How many would the flu kill without a vaccine and no preparation for the epidemic? Compare them in five or ten years if you want something closer to an apples and apples comparison.
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From Bill Maher

“The media also seems obsessed with finding young people who’ve died of COVID-19,” he continued”. “The Washington Post says there’s 759 under 50 years old. Horrible, of course. Then I looked up how many under 50 died of the flu last year: almost 3,000.”





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