Novel Coronavirus impacts

The Mendocino County public health officer has announced that the county level restrictions will be eased in the next couple of days. Stay tuned.

Well, not so much "eased" as "made more complicated."
https://www.mendocinocounty.org/Home/Components/News/News/4076/3242

The only easing I see is a very slight relaxation of the prohibition against walking or biking on public trails. Even that one is largely irrelevant because all State, County, and City parks remain closed. That includes all the beaches and public launch sites. And the Order will be in effect until May 10, so the rockfish opener probably isn't going to happen.

The shutdown is working here, we have no known cases of community transmission and all four people who tested positive have now recovered. A flood of tourists or fishermen from the Bay Area would probably reverse all that, so we're pretty much stuck with the lockdown until everywhere else gets their outbreaks under control.

I wish there was a way to prevent travel (the real problem) without closing everything down for us locals. But apparently there isn't.

I read the new order as saying that fishing for food is allowed as essential business.

4 week comparison

For comparison, 56,000,000 Americans have had the flu this season, 750,000 hospitalized and up to 63,000 have died.

For comparison, 56,000,000 Americans have had the flu this season, 750,000 hospitalized and up to 63,000 have died.

Those are telling statistics.  So according to the statistics approximately 100x as many had the flu and only 3x as many more people died with the current numbers given of COVID-19 infections.  That is if we believe the numbers released to us

The seasonal flu numbers I posted were from the CDC website; cdc.gov

I personally like to compare stuff.  whether or not we over or under react to either the flu or the COVID-19 is something we all should be analyzing.  Not just flu and virus, but other causes of death.  To single out one cause and react to that cause disproportionately to other causes is something I also think should be weighed. 

There are stats for my county, El Dorado County, that stipulate that no one in my town, El Dorado or adjacent towns have contracted COVID-19.  IN the entire county only 28 cases as of Wednesday.  Almost half of those on the other side of a mountain range. (Lake Tahoe) Half of all cases in El Dorado County are people under 50 years old. 

And while I like to compare stuff, I must say that sheltering in place has almost zero impact on my lifestyle.  This thread title is Novel Coronavirus impacts.  The flu has more impact and I got my flu shot.

I read the new order as saying that fishing for food is allowed as essential business.

Yes - "business" being the key word there. Commercial boats can go out. Fishing for recreation, or for one's own food (same thing) is not a business and therefore is not allowed.

Theoretically, a resident with private access to a beach could fish. That's about it, because the Order specifically prohibits driving to a place of outdoor exercise/recreation.

So unless something changes, the rockfish opener is a no-go.

Hmmmm.....

For comparison, 56,000,000 Americans have had the flu this season, 750,000 hospitalized and up to 63,000 have died.

Yes - and that's a disease that has been around for many generations, and for which you can get a vaccine (of varying efficacy, but always >0). Neither is true of COVID-19, which appears to be significantly more easily transmitted than influenza, and which has a much longer latent period (pre-symptomatic) during which time it is nevertheless transmissible. Those facts alone would make this virus extremely dangerous, given that we already have the influenza and this disease will be adding to the existing caseload in our already-marginal health care system. But wait, it gets worse - not only is COVID-19 more readily transmitted than influenza, it is also far more lethal, and even sublethal cases often result in permanent pulmonary damage.

Yeah, I'm a little sick of this flu meme. It has a political connotation that we don't need here.

I read the new order as saying that fishing for food is allowed as essential business.

Yes - "business" being the key word there. Commercial boats can go out. Fishing for recreation, or for one's own food (same thing) is not a business and therefore is not allowed.

Theoretically, a resident with private access to a beach could fish. That's about it, because the Order specifically prohibits driving to a place of outdoor exercise/recreation.

So unless something changes, the rockfish opener is a no-go.

I don’t interpret it the same way as you do.  “Business” does not necessarily imply commercial activity.  If it did, then why say “commercial seaweed harvesting” instead of “seaweed harvesting”?  I would expect it to say “commercial fishing” if they intended to limit it to only commercial activities, since that is what they did with seaweed harvesting. 

A fundamental rule of drafting is that you should use the same words to mean the same thing, and if you use different words it means a different thing.

I read the new order as saying that fishing for food is allowed as essential business.

Yes - "business" being the key word there. Commercial boats can go out. Fishing for recreation, or for one's own food (same thing) is not a business and therefore is not allowed.

Theoretically, a resident with private access to a beach could fish. That's about it, because the Order specifically prohibits driving to a place of outdoor exercise/recreation.

So unless something changes, the rockfish opener is a no-go.

I don’t interpret it the same way as you do.  “Business” does not necessarily imply commercial activity.  If it did, then why say “commercial seaweed harvesting” instead of “seaweed harvesting”?  I would expect it to say “commercial fishing” if they intended to limit it to only commercial activities, since that is what they did with seaweed harvesting. 

A fundamental rule of drafting is that you should use the same words to mean the same thing, and if you use different words it means a different thing.

 
If only they could. They can’t even understand that saying San Pablo Bay doesn’t mean Napa River.

The Mendocino County public health officer has announced that the county level restrictions will be eased in the next couple of days. Stay tuned.

Well, not so much "eased" as "made more complicated."
https://www.mendocinocounty.org/Home/Components/News/News/4076/3242

The only easing I see is a very slight relaxation of the prohibition against walking or biking on public trails. Even that one is largely irrelevant because all State, County, and City parks remain closed. That includes all the beaches and public launch sites. And the Order will be in effect until May 10, so the rockfish opener probably isn't going to happen.

The shutdown is working here, we have no known cases of community transmission and all four people who tested positive have now recovered. A flood of tourists or fishermen from the Bay Area would probably reverse all that, so we're pretty much stuck with the lockdown until everywhere else gets their outbreaks under control.

I wish there was a way to prevent travel (the real problem) without closing everything down for us locals. But apparently there isn't.

I read the new order as saying that fishing for food is allowed as essential business.

Are you saying “commercial fishing” is allowed or “kayak fishing” is allowed as an essential business.

The Mendocino County public health officer has announced that the county level restrictions will be eased in the next couple of days. Stay tuned.

Well, not so much "eased" as "made more complicated."
https://www.mendocinocounty.org/Home/Components/News/News/4076/3242

The only easing I see is a very slight relaxation of the prohibition against walking or biking on public trails. Even that one is largely irrelevant because all State, County, and City parks remain closed. That includes all the beaches and public launch sites. And the Order will be in effect until May 10, so the rockfish opener probably isn't going to happen.

The shutdown is working here, we have no known cases of community transmission and all four people who tested positive have now recovered. A flood of tourists or fishermen from the Bay Area would probably reverse all that, so we're pretty much stuck with the lockdown until everywhere else gets their outbreaks under control.

I wish there was a way to prevent travel (the real problem) without closing everything down for us locals. But apparently there isn't.

I read the new order as saying that fishing for food is allowed as essential business.

Are you saying “commercial fishing” is allowed or “kayak fishing” is allowed as an essential business.

I could be wrong, but I think he is saying it can be interpreted as fishing for food is allowed as what it says.  However you get fish for food is allowed...

For comparison, 56,000,000 Americans have had the flu this season, 750,000 hospitalized and up to 63,000 have died.

Yes - and that's a disease that has been around for many generations, and for which you can get a vaccine (of varying efficacy, but always >0). Neither is true of COVID-19, which appears to be significantly more easily transmitted than influenza, and which has a much longer latent period (pre-symptomatic) during which time it is nevertheless transmissible. Those facts alone would make this virus extremely dangerous, given that we already have the influenza and this disease will be adding to the existing caseload in our already-marginal health care system. But wait, it gets worse - not only is COVID-19 more readily transmitted than influenza, it is also far more lethal, and even sublethal cases often result in permanent pulmonary damage.

Yeah, I'm a little sick of this flu meme. It has a political connotation that we don't need here.

To avoid political connotations it would help to stick to known facts. Facts shouldn’t be political. How do we know this results in permanent pulmonary damage if this has only been around for 6 months or less. We really don’t know what the long term effects will be. We don’t yet know that it is more lethal because we haven’t done the testing necessary to determine that. We will need to test representative samples of the population to get a scientific estimate of how many people have been asymptomatic to get an idea of how lethal covid19 is. If it is able to be transmitted before symptoms appear or in asymptomatic cases that would make it more easily transmitted. Usually the more easily transmitted, the less deadly a disease is. The more deadly, the harder it is to transmit. We really need to study this before we claim to have the facts. The stats are 63,000 died of the flu even after most of the vulnerable people have been vaccinated. That sounds pretty serious compared to the current covid19 stats. Will covid19 prove to be worse than the flu? We don’t know yet. That is one reason everyone is freaking out. Better safe than sorry. Most of what we are doing is based on fear, not facts.

The Mendocino County public health officer has announced that the county level restrictions will be eased in the next couple of days. Stay tuned.

Well, not so much "eased" as "made more complicated."
https://www.mendocinocounty.org/Home/Components/News/News/4076/3242

The only easing I see is a very slight relaxation of the prohibition against walking or biking on public trails. Even that one is largely irrelevant because all State, County, and City parks remain closed. That includes all the beaches and public launch sites. And the Order will be in effect until May 10, so the rockfish opener probably isn't going to happen.

The shutdown is working here, we have no known cases of community transmission and all four people who tested positive have now recovered. A flood of tourists or fishermen from the Bay Area would probably reverse all that, so we're pretty much stuck with the lockdown until everywhere else gets their outbreaks under control.

I wish there was a way to prevent travel (the real problem) without closing everything down for us locals. But apparently there isn't.

I read the new order as saying that fishing for food is allowed as essential business.

Are you saying “commercial fishing” is allowed or “kayak fishing” is allowed as an essential business.

I could be wrong, but I think he is saying it can be interpreted as fishing for food is allowed as what it says.  However you get fish for food is allowed...

The regulations for Mendocino look to allow commercial  fishing under ag exemptions and personal fishing under obtaining fresh fish exemptions.

Yeah, I'm a little sick of this flu meme. It has a political connotation that we don't need here.