Update on RCG/Lings opening day??

It's totally  BS that we get the shortest season with the smallest population and only 3 ports to launch a boat into the ocean in one of the biggest counties in CA.  When can we form our own state and make our own laws instead of the fools south of us making the decisions while killing the most fish and giving their selves longer seasons and fishing deeper.

Do you even have any understanding of why you have the shortest season up there?  It is because you have the biggest impact on yelloweye.  In 2014, the Northern part of the state caught about 1/2 the allowable statewide bycatch mortality.

BTW, interesting stat ... in 2014, only 1.058mt of the allowable 3.4mt yelloweye mortality rate was reached.  I wonder if it is a "use it or lose it" situation.  Would be nice to see that roll over.

-Allen

No I'm just totally clueless about that . If CA DFW could do their job worth a damn and collect accurate data they would find that there isn't many yelloweye being caught.  I  catch maybe 2 to 3 yelloweyes a year.  It's ok for central and socal to toss little fish back to be picked off by birds and have huge party boats that do way more damage to rockfish than our small fleet of mostly six pack charters.  In the biggest yelloweye area, Shelter Cove, there are what, 2 or 3 6 pack charters?  Trinidad has 4 charters that carry more than 6 and the best chance of catching a yelloweye there is to travel 27 miles north to Redding rock which is now permantly closed on 3 sides by MLPAs.  Now to impact yelloweyes from Humboldt bay,  you would have to fish deep rocky spots off the false Cape.  I think I  have only caught 2 there.  With the depth limits in place now, there is hardly any impact on yelloweyes so CA DFW should give us a season till the end of the year.

Rob, we have this same conversation every year. I hear what you're saying, but you are wrong.
Believe me, I WISH the Northern Mgt area and Mendo Mgt area had longer seasons. But their seasons are not shorter due to

the fools south of us making the decisions while killing the most fish and giving their selves longer seasons and fishing deeper.

Do a search for "yelloweye bycatch"
Btw...HumCo has more ports than MoCo (only Moss Landing & Monterey) even though they're the same size.   

Here's all the info you need to know about federally-protected yelloweye rockfish: http://www.dfg.ca.gov/marine/groundfishcentral/tracking.asp

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Rob, we have this same conversation every year. I hear what you're saying, but you are wrong.
Believe me, I WISH the Northern Mgt area and Mendo Mgt area had longer seasons. But their seasons are not shorter due to

the fools south of us making the decisions while killing the most fish and giving their selves longer seasons and fishing deeper.

Do a search for "yelloweye bycatch"
Btw...HumCo has more ports than MoCo (only Moss Landing & Monterey) even though they're the same size.   

I wonder how many more trips go out of Monterey county tho?

Also, eureka is hardly a rockfish port. It's a long haul to false cape and the closest rockfishing.

Pressure up here is really light. Yelloweye are just not that common to catch, and I think allen's catch numbers bear that out.

True, the amount of effort-hours is much higher. But that's not the point. The point is our seasons are determined by impact on federally-protected species. And the DFG has determined that the Northern Mgt area & Mendo Mgt area have greater impact on those species (yelloweye). So, their seasons are shorter to reduce the impact.

Here I am sounding like a broken record 5 months ago.

The rockfish season is mostly determined by impact on federally-endangered species...in this case yelloweye rockfish. This year CA is allotted 3.4 tons of YE rockfish bycatch. If they somehow determine that we've exceeded that # they declare an emergency closure and shut down the season early. (Of course, the way they estimate YE bycatch is leaves a lot of room for error; fish counters asking fishermen how many YEs they caught multiplied by how many estimated anglers fished each day multiplied by an estimated 60% mortality rate = ?)
Through this voodoo math they say more YE are caught in the Northern and Mendo management areas. So those areas have shorter seasons and shallower depth restrictions...to limit bycatch of YE rockfish. I remember when they closed the season early in 2009? and everybody was blaming Shelter Cove because the DFG's voodoo math determined that region harvested more YE than the rest of the entire state and we exceeded the annual limit, which was like 2.5 tons. It was BS but that's why the seasons are shorter up there, to minimize YE bycatch so they don't have to shut it down early.
Here's the 2014 YE harvest tracker: https://www.dfg.ca.gov/marine/groundfishcentral/tracking.asp

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Seems like the more important question is length of  rocky coastline. San Bernardino county is huge but they don't take many rockfish there.

Accessibility is an issue too.  You guys are as tight lipped about big sur as we are about the cape, and almost all rockfish effort here is out of shelter cove and Trinidad. There isn't much opportunity for yelloweye out of Trinidad.

Where are all of these yelloweye I. The northern management area coming from?  Remember that shelter cove is not in the northern management area.  Do we have any stats on that?  I'm prepared to be surprised.

What's ~300 square miles between friends

Seems like the more important question is length of  rocky coastline. San Bernardino county is huge but they don't take many rockfish there.

Accessibility is an issue too.  You guys are as tight lipped about big sur as we are about the cape, and almost all rockfish effort here is out of shelter cove and Trinidad. There isn't much opportunity for yelloweye out of Trinidad.

Where are all of these yelloweye I. The northern management area coming from?  Remember that shelter cove is not in the northern management area.  Do we have any stats on that?  I'm prepared to be surprised.

I actually had planned on looking up coastline mileage but would up with Sq/Miles  Figured you'd let me slide with that 

What's ~300 square miles between friends

Seems like the more important question is length of  rocky coastline. San Bernardino county is huge but they don't take many rockfish there.

Accessibility is an issue too.  You guys are as tight lipped about big sur as we are about the cape, and almost all rockfish effort here is out of shelter cove and Trinidad. There isn't much opportunity for yelloweye out of Trinidad.

Where are all of these yelloweye I. The northern management area coming from?  Remember that shelter cove is not in the northern management area.  Do we have any stats on that?  I'm prepared to be surprised.

I actually had planned on looking up coastline mileage but would up with Sq/Miles  Figured you'd let me slide with that 

Length of rocky coastline is probably similar. We have a  long stretch from centerville to moonstone with no rocks other than the Humboldt bay jetties. I doubt there are any yelloweye hanging out on the jetties.

Where are all of these yelloweye I. The northern management area coming from?  Remember that shelter cove is not in the northern management area.  Do we have any stats on that?  I'm prepared to be surprised.

I'll see what I can dig up. Because I'm curious to see what the numbers say.
But we should all be happy the DFG shelved the idea of YRCA's for now...especially the Pt Delgada YRCA!!!

Here's all the info you need to know about federally-protected yelloweye rockfish: http://www.dfg.ca.gov/marine/groundfishcentral/tracking.asp

Nothing new to me in that link.  It's a bunch of crap data taken by mostly idiots that can't properly identify fish as well as crap data from out of towner fisherman that also can't properly identify fish either.  If it wasn't for salmon there would be no sampling.  Also, they only sample 20%of each month.  The DFW  uses the same math as GW Bush.  It's junk full of estimates that don't even remotely reflect the truth.

It's totally  BS that we get the shortest season with the smallest population and only 3 ports to launch a boat into the ocean in one of the biggest counties in CA.  When can we form our own state and make our own laws instead of the fools south of us making the decisions while killing the most fish and giving their selves longer seasons and fishing deeper.

Do you even have any understanding of why you have the shortest season up there?  It is because you have the biggest impact on yelloweye.  In 2014, the Northern part of the state caught about 1/2 the allowable statewide bycatch mortality.

BTW, interesting stat ... in 2014, only 1.058mt of the allowable 3.4mt yelloweye mortality rate was reached.  I wonder if it is a "use it or lose it" situation.  Would be nice to see that roll over.

-Allen

No I'm just totally clueless about that . If CA DFW could do their job worth a damn and collect accurate data they would find that there isn't many yelloweye being caught.  I  catch maybe 2 to 3 yelloweyes a year.  It's ok for central and socal to toss little fish back to be picked off by birds and have huge party boats that do way more damage to rockfish than our small fleet of mostly six pack charters.  In the biggest yelloweye area, Shelter Cove, there are what, 2 or 3 6 pack charters?  Trinidad has 4 charters that carry more than 6 and the best chance of catching a yelloweye there is to travel 27 miles north to Redding rock which is now permantly closed on 3 sides by MLPAs.  Now to impact yelloweyes from Humboldt bay,  you would have to fish deep rocky spots off the false Cape.  I think I  have only caught 2 there.  With the depth limits in place now, there is hardly any impact on yelloweyes so CA DFW should give us a season till the end of the year.

From the above, it does lead me to believe you are a bit clueless about this.  Central and socal tossing back little fish still counts towards the quota.  And they do NOT do more damage to yelloweye than your fleet.  Your fleet still catches more yelloweye,.  Plain and simple.

Where the real pain comes in is the fact that the quota is a very low number.  While your fleet caught 1/2 the yelloweye catch last year, that total was only like 1000 pounds.  That's about 250 fish total, assuming 4 pounds a fish.  But hey, your 2-3 fish makes you a 1 percenter.

-Allen

Here's all the info you need to know about federally-protected yelloweye rockfish: http://www.dfg.ca.gov/marine/groundfishcentral/tracking.asp

Nothing new to me in that link.  It's a bunch of crap data taken by mostly idiots that can't properly identify fish as well as crap data from out of towner fisherman that also can't properly identify fish either.  If it wasn't for salmon there would be no sampling.  Also, they only sample 20%of each month.  The DFW  uses the same math as GW Bush.  It's junk full of estimates that don't even remotely reflect the truth.

Prove it.

Just because the numbers don't add up to you doesn't mean that it isn't scientifically demonstrable that the sample techniques are statistically significant.

-Allen

60% assumed mortality rate means more like 400-500 fish, so rob is a half percenter. Maybe .666.

From the above, it does lead me to believe you are a bit clueless about this.  Central and socal tossing back little fish still counts towards the quota.  And they do NOT do more damage to yelloweye than your fleet.  Your fleet still catches more yelloweye,.  Plain and simple.
 

I  said they do more damage to rockfish not yelloweye. 

Prove it.

Just because the numbers don't add up to you doesn't mean that it isn't scientifically demonstrable that the sample techniques are statistically significant.

-Allen

From my own experience, a good portion of the fish counters aren't gathering accurate data.  Some are receiving bogus data by mouth from anglers and some are incorrectly writing the data down.  Not every angler who goes on a charter boat, a buddy's boat or even their own boat knows what fish they are catching and the laws for fish they are targeting so when those anglers get interviewed by fish counters they receive bad data.  I have seen these things happen with my own eyes.