Should the "Hook Up" Section be Members Only

Anything is possible, depending on how good your lawyer is.  Sucks, but that is the world we live in.

I would defer to Yakuza or Hamachi John. I don't think a posted hookup is any different than a posted tournament as far as liability. We sign waivers for tournaments for a reason.

Let's say I posted a hookup and a newbie showed up. Then things go bad and he doesn't come back alive. Would I have some liability? Probably depends on the circumstances. If the hookup is at Bean Hollow and the newb gets eaten. Well my guess you would be liable. If he has a heart attack, probably wouldn't be liable.

The threshold for MO hookups should be much higher then. Like 250+ posts or some combination of posts and years of membership. Or maybe by invitation only or by request only with a decision made by the moderators.

The moderators will not in any way be making any decision about what you guys choose to post in a hookups section.  And we shouldn't rely on the forum to make any sort of "quality" judgments as to who is going with who.  That responsibility is up to the individuals involved.  Don't be afraid to ask someone you don't know what their experience level is and establish your own threshold as to what level you are comfortable going with.

-Allen

You read something into that that isn't there.
I'm not at all suggesting the moderators controlling the content. Just the people who have access.

I like the GS system of vouching for folks too.

Ooops.  Sorry.  So ... what decision are you advocating that the moderators make?   

-Allen

For the record, I am fine with leaving hookups public. I just wanted to have the discussion so people understand the pros and cons when they post an open hookup. It's been a good discussion.

I think Crash is saying you should have to ask a Moderator to join the hook ups board. Basicly you have to be known to NCKA or have someone vouch for you to get into the Hook ups board.
Not sure I agree with that or not. on one hand it seems very exclusionary and not what the brotherhood of NCKA is based on.
 On the other hand paddling offshore in NorCal is risky. The Risks can be lessened with proper knowledge and experience. In our openness to help newcomers to the sport we leave ourselves open to risk as well.
I voted for locked with min post count but would be ok with whatever way it goes.

Jeff that's a whole 'nuther can o worms!

I vote to Add a new MO Hookups board (with either 10- or 20-post minimum). And leave the regular Hookups board accessible to the public.
That allows the person organizing the hookup to decide if they want to post it in public or MO.

Not likely. 

Yakuza posts that he's going to fish Bean in mid December (hail mary cod run).  More of a float plan than an invitation.
Some a-hole newbie shows up, gonna follow Yak around and tag the same pinnacles, without Yak knowing or inviting. 
Newb wipes out on the shore dump.  Or gets nailed by GWS.
Sues Yak for negligence = case dismissed.

Yak didn't undertake a duty to care for the newb, to help him avoid injury, and certainly didn't do anything to purposefully injure him.
Without a duty to exercise due care for the newb, there can be no breach of the duty = no liability in negligence.

Now, if I specifically invited newb, then instructed when/how/what to do and he relied on my instruction, then there's some argument that a duty of ordinary care arose. 
Counterargument is that, I'm full of shit, and a reasonable person should obviously know that.  so the newb assumes the risk of giving any weight to my diarrhea of the mouth, not to mention you'd have to be bat shit crazy to fish SMC after Halloween.

As to NCKA webpage and its proprietors, its an even shittier case for the Newb under the current ownership approach.  See 47 USC 230.  Strava (the social fitness, virtual racing site) earlier this year successfully defended a case against the family of some schmuck who died when he t-boned a car trying to set KOM speed record descending Tilden Park.  See http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/06/news/family-sues-strava-over-descending-death_224889


Now, is there some set of facts where posting a hookup would trigger a duty of care?  Yeah, probably.  But not under the garden variety posting of "hey I'll be at SMS location shooting for lings.  Come join me saturday if your free." 

I think Crash is saying you should have to ask a Moderator to join the hook ups board. Basicly you have to be known to NCKA or have someone vouch for you to get into the Hook ups board.
Not sure I agree with that or not. on one hand it seems very exclusionary and not what the brotherhood of NCKA is based on.
 On the other hand paddling offshore in NorCal is risky. The Risks can be lessened with proper knowledge and experience. In our openness to help newcomers to the sport we leave ourselves open to risk as well.
I voted for locked with min post count but would be ok with whatever way it goes.

Ah I see.  I'd rather not place the moderators in the "judgement loop".  Only those directly involved in a particular hookup are suited to assess the situation.

-Allen

I think Crash is saying you should have to ask a Moderator to join the hook ups board. Basicly you have to be known to NCKA or have someone vouch for you to get into the Hook ups board.
Not sure I agree with that or not. on one hand it seems very exclusionary and not what the brotherhood of NCKA is based on.
 On the other hand paddling offshore in NorCal is risky. The Risks can be lessened with proper knowledge and experience. In our openness to help newcomers to the sport we leave ourselves open to risk as well.
I voted for locked with min post count but would be ok with whatever way it goes.

Basically this. Make it a forum that you have to be approved for membership in and base that approval on some predetermined criteria. Moderator function woul be ministerial. I don't think it would be that much more work but I am not readily familiar with the forum software.

OMG! I promise I wont. chime Sansano

for helluv good reasons, the website should be a conduit, with moderator activity kept to irreducible minimum

I am mixed about this. Should there be a seperate crabbing hookup?  I ifind it useful to see who is going out and see if I can "hook up" with them, or post one for myself.  I have on more than one occassion met fellow NCKAer's and Newbies who came out because of a hook up.  I am willing to sacrifice a few crabs for safety, but then again I am hang near mine the whole time, and were it possible I would have a bazooka flare gun to ward off would be "crab checkers"

 I vote for mo section with certain number of posts(10-20). Maybe this would increase the number of hookups posted in certain regions. Oh, and dont post hookups on facebook. 

I think this is a great topic. What if there was a public hookups and a members hookups similar to the public and private fishing reports. That way people new to the sport can meet and come out and then mbera who have been around can post meet ups for there secret spots and only other members would be able to see it. This members hookups would be post based with some post amount set by mods.

I think this is a great topic. What if there was a public hookups and a members hookups similar to the public and private fishing reports. That way people new to the sport can meet and come out and then mbera who have been around can post meet ups for there secret spots and only other members would be able to see it. This members hookups would be post based with some post amount set by mods.

Waste of time if the MO post minimum is only 10. Need to raise the number to make the junk posters more obvious.