AOTY C&R

Yes we do that with dino's, that one went into affect a while back and I'm pretty sure the rationale was undue stress, practicality and safety....its a different ballgame when the fish is 7 feet long with razors attached to its back and sides.  I'm not in complete agreement with that one either for the same reasons but I can live with it considering the reality of handling a beast.

I'm not sure if a ruling has been established on canaries yet (BSteves can chime in on that one).  I suppose that technically it can be submitted......if you really want to be THAT GUY in a friendly competition. 

Sorta negates the Warm and Fuzzy, Whatever is DF&G Legal arguments as the rules are now.

You're comparing apples and oranges, my personal opinions to a rule that was implemented by somebody else. I have not advocated to allow oversized fish to be entered because its not something that keeps me up at night. 

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Soooooo then Salmon/Steelhead from the Eel would be disqualified?

NCKA allows salmon to be entered, it is up to the angler to determine where they get it from.  I think I was pretty clear on that one.  

If you chose to enter one from the eel river then I'm sure those who look down upon it will do so (and likely complain about it on the boards) and those who don't.....won't


I'm not sure why the need exists to establish any agenda behind the AOTY. We are a diverse group, I'd like the image that we portray is that we are kayakfisherman.....not kayakfisherman that do this or support that.  Judging the +1400 views and only 25 votes I think there's not to many others who care enough one way or the other....if they really cared I'd suspect that there'd be more votes.

We are a diverse group, I'd like the image that we portray is that we are kayakfisherman.....not kayakfisherman that do this or support that.  Judging the +1400 views and only 25 votes I think there's not to many others who care enough one way or the other....if they really cared I'd suspect that there'd be more votes.

I agree Art pretty apathetic. I know at the beginning it was pretty differant.  I guess we are growing to be like all the rest.

Having participated on numerous forums for years, the one thing I noticed about "the rest" is that apathy grows once once we lose focus on what we come here for......fishing. 

I have had the same experience but with this site it feels like the more we grow the more we lose Focus.
A wise man once told me and I have heard him numerous Times, I thought he was referring to Safety but now I perceive it a little differently.
Not sure of the exact words but something like WE are Kayakers First and Fishermen second. I never paid much attention to it but it defined NCKA.
Please Chime in Wise Man

I'd like the image that we portray is that we are kayakfisherman.....not kayakfisherman that do this or support that.

I think that is the fundamental difference in the viewpoints here. I'm good either way, but based on what I've learned I'm changing my vote.

You can dance around it if you like, Art, but if we are allowing ISA fish to be counted we are basically condoning illegal fishing ... even if it's the feds ... even if CA isn't enforcing it. I've only been around a couple years, but I've never gotten that kind of vibe here. Good practices, conservation, legal behavior have always appeared to have at least an equal footing with the sport of it all. Personally, I like that.

Ben

Judging the +1400 views and only 25 votes I think there's not to many others who care enough one way or the other....if they really cared I'd suspect that there'd be more votes.

You KNOW that's not a fair statement, as Mike only asked current AOTY entrants or those planning to do so, to vote. I don't believe there is ever more than than 60 signing up for AOTY competition.

Judging the +1400 views and only 25 votes I think there's not to many others who care enough one way or the other....if they really cared I'd suspect that there'd be more votes.

You KNOW that's not a fair statement, as Mike only asked current AOTY entrants or those planning to do so, to vote. I don't believe there is ever more than than 60 signing up for AOTY competition.

Yes Howard you are right. Even Art knew that because he didnt vote. How many people on this site even fish the Eel? I know and it aint many. Someone bring out the horse OK?

Ben - it's not the case that all salmon are listed - it's an in-river thing.  So removing salmon from the AOTY competition for the sake of conservation would negate ocean fishing for those fish too.  Trolling in the ocean has been my primary salmon focus for many years, and the seasons and ethics are much different than in-river fishing.  I just wanted to point that out - it's not just a salmon/steelhead question, it'a about the rivers where they're protected by C&R regulations. 

You're comparing apples and oranges, my personal opinions to a rule that was implemented by somebody else.

No I wasn't

You can dance around it if you like, Art, but if we are allowing ISA fish to be counted we are basically condoning illegal fishing ... even if it's the feds ... even if CA isn't enforcing it. I've only been around a couple years, but I've never gotten that kind of vibe here. Good practices, conservation, legal behavior have always appeared to have at least an equal footing with the sport of it all. Personally, I like that.

Thanks Ben well said That's the NCKA spirit that makes this a great site. Good Practices and Forward Thinking can solve a lot of the Worlds Problems I'll sleep better tonite and hopefully kill some fish tomorrow.
Naokoi I'm not fishing with you any more 

it's not the case that all salmon are listed - it's an in-river thing.

You're right ... that was my own bias leaking out  . From what I've seen, none of the runs are very strong so I'm inclined to leave them alone...

You KNOW that's not a fair statement, as Mike only asked current AOTY entrants or those planning to do so, to vote. I don't believe there is ever more than than 60 signing up for AOTY competition.

Howard you are so right. Not only are there only a few dozen competitors but in a state as large as Cali with the population that we have there aren't all that many kayakfishermen in Norcal. I expect most people checking out NCKA in general are indeed either kayakfishermen or are interested in becoming one and the only one's truly paying attention to the tiny details of who's catching what & where they caught it for AOTY are a handfull of the actual AOTY participants. This to me was a minor issue that devolved into a non-issue when BlackAb stated he wouldn't enter Eel River fish. For the record I didn't have a problem with him doing so but since it's getting close to winter time let's keep beating the horse.

If you want to right a true blue wrong..... THEN GIVE STURGEON A HALF A POINT MORE! I could go into all of the reasons why this makes sense but suffice to say 231 points for what, at 66 inches long, will always be AOTY's largest fish caught is JUST. jim


PS: I hope I catch one someday.  

You KNOW that's not a fair statement, as Mike only asked current AOTY entrants or those planning to do so, to vote. I don't believe there is ever more than than 60 signing up for AOTY competition.

Howard you are so right. Not only are there only a few dozen competitors but in a state as large as Cali with the population that we have there aren't all that many kayakfishermen in Norcal. I expect most people checking out NCKA in general are indeed either kayakfishermen or are interested in becoming one and the only one's truly paying attention to the tiny details of who's catching what & where they caught it for AOTY are a handfull of the actual AOTY participants. This to me was a minor issue that devolved into a non-issue when BlackAb stated he wouldn't enter Eel River fish. For the record I didn't have a problem with him doing so but since it's getting close to winter time let's keep beating the horse.

If you want to right a true blue wrong..... THEN GIVE STURGEON A HALF A POINT MORE! I could go into all of the reasons why this makes sense but suffice to say 198 points for what, at 66 inches long, will always be AOTY's largest fish caught is JUST. jim


PS: I hope I catch one someday. 

Yes but 25 out of 60 is still pretty lame but maybe they would be truly happy with whatever which is cool

Jim Screw Dino's start your own thread you Jacker and give Steelies back their points hardest to catch should be the highest. But that's a whole other topic Sea Trout worth more than Steel.