AOTY C&R

Not done Mike.
To further my threadjack.....Largest fish of
WSB 212 points
Salmon 215 points
Halibut 215 points
Lingcod 205 points
Striper 221 points
None of these species have upper size limitations aka slot length. This makes sturgeon much harder to determine whether to keep or release. Just ask bmb.   So in addition to being AOTY's largest species it is also the hardest to document the catch.
All of the AOTY over 200 point fish.....none of which are as big or, arguably, as rare as hitting 66 inches on the nose with a sturgeon.
This has been gnawing at me all year.
If this thread was really about steelhead getting more points then why don't you say so? jim

PS: I am at least 0 for 15 on the dinos, and no thank you I don't wanna screw one, so I think they are pretty hard to catch.   Especially for a self admitted rod-fiddler like me.  
    
PPS:no offense to those kayakanglers that scored those over 200 point fish but I think Mahi's 66 inch sturgeon should be the sky's limit.....until someone scores a 60" wsb or 50" salmon of course.                                             

Jim I don't really care about the points or how long you freeze your ass off in the cold which is what we are going to do this morning BRRRR, as long as they are the same for everybody. Everyone has their devil fish have more dino's been caught than Steelies? Mellisa has like 2 hours of fishing for 2 nice dino's Dino fishing is easy just follow Freddy

Yes but 25 out of 60 is still pretty lame but maybe they would be truly happy with whatever which is cool

Maybe it's not lame at all, I for one have a definite opinion of how it should go, and I enter AOTY each year, but not as a true competitor.  So I'm not voting because I don't think my opinion should count in a competition that I'm not really participating in. I don't consider myself lame for keeping my opinion out of something others take so seriously.

And back a ways in the thread there was some discussion as to how NCKA would be viewed by the outside world.  Well thinking that it doesn't matter may come back to cause at least a little heartburn. When NCKA (or at least a small group of privileged members) decided to become a public "entity" who's name is publicly listed as a supporter or member of certain large pro fishing organizations our reputation took on a whole new meaning and importance.  BTW the way I am in favor of this "entity" and it's stands (at least so far).

I have had the same experience but with this site it feels like the more we grow the more we lose Focus.

This is complete truth....we never used to judge each other and never needed rules dictating that we do the right thing, we just did.  

If the mob feels its necessary to increase scrutiny and wave a flag letting everybody know how good we are then I'm sure Allen will make it so. I'm not quite sure how he will prevent eel river fish...or the winter run sac fish....from being entered since we catch them on the ocean too but I'm sure he will......maybe we should ban salmon all together.











    

maybe we should ban salmon all together.
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I for one have a definite opinion of how it should go, and I enter AOTY each year, but not as a true competitor.  So I'm not voting because I don't think my opinion should count in a competition that I'm not really participating in

Dale I do the same as you pay my money and don't really compete but since I pay and My name gets attached I want to feel good about it. I know there is some stuff going on that nobody can prevent without making it super complacated, I thought this was a way to make it a little better and simplify the rules at the same time. I don't think you  are lame at all I respect your opinion I know you have one and want you to express it That's the only reason I used the word lame. I have nothing to do with making the rules I was just curious on how you felt. Any way I'm sure you are tired of hearing Art and I argue so I'll shut up now and hope Art does the same.

Whats wrong with judging others? AOTY never had rules?  Things change and mostly for the better through discussion and voicing opinions. What used to be OK in a ton of situations are not OK anymore by a longshot. A real longshot. I think that you probably should pull hippie killer off your profile. It might give the wrong impression.That possibly someone is being judged.

[Any way I'm sure you are tired of hearing Art and I argue so I'll shut up now and hope Art does the same.

......agreed.

....and nothing in my profile will be changing.

I'm always a day late (and a dollar short)

I'd actually lost track of the original question, but having re-read it.

I guess I'll vote yes. (Realizing it's just an opinion poll)

It seems it's becoming a deceivingly complicated question. As evidenced by over 1900 reads and 100 comments.

My simple way of looking at it would be:

There are a variety of instances where DFG allows Catch of fish that must then be Released. That stresses the hell out of the fish but again for a variety of reasons, DFG allows it.

My stance is that if DFG feels strongly enough about the state of any given species to require release, then I don't think that species should be targeted as part of a competition. 

Period..


Now there can be a ton of discussion around the whole ESA listings and C&R for sport, etc, etc. but that wasn't the original question.

if it's LEGAL to catch,,,it should be legal to trough.

Section 7.00 of the freshwater regs.

In waters where the bag limit for trout or salmon is zero, fish for which the bag limit is zero must be released unharmed, and should not be removed from the water

-Allen

I've been following this post for what seems like weeks.  I think, from an outsider of AOTY (but an insider of NCKA), that all DFG regulations should be followed during any competition whether it be a bass tournament, AOTY, or whatever.  Polepole put the quote up, so bringing a C&R salmon up out of the water to photo should be off-limits for AOTY.  Why?  Because DFG says so.

That's my opinion: don't bother to reply, because I won't respond.

HB

Section 7.00 of the freshwater regs.

In waters where the bag limit for trout or salmon is zero, fish for which the bag limit is zero must be released unharmed, and should not be removed from the water

-Allen

Bingo. Thanks Allen.

Section 7.00 of the freshwater regs.

In waters where the bag limit for trout or salmon is zero, fish for which the bag limit is zero must be released unharmed, and should not be removed from the water

-Allen

So with regards to AOTY what does this mean re: steelhead and salmon? Does "should not be removed" mean it's illegal to do so and therefore wild steelhead and c&r salmon will not count towards AOTY? Or does it mean you should not but it's not illegal per se? I don't know? Bottomline it please. jim