Over limit halibut - youtubers strike again

There is really a problem with the fresh and salty group and their inability to understand and follow the regulations. I had a lengthy discussion with several one time at OP about it being illegal to fish multiple rods there for halibut. There are far too many examples like this seen online and even more in person when they bomb a launch/location with dozens taking anything and everything they catch. DFW would be well served to join some of their hook-ups - a couple of enforcement actions would go a long way to getting better compliance.

Cheers(???)
Brad

Agreed! I was a member for a very short time several years ago. I posted about exactly this concern and asked what the senior leadership of the club was doing and about the reputation F and S was developing…that conversation didn’t go too well, but to be honest I haven’t shaken my disdain for the group. I’m sure there are many solid individuals who are members, but as a whole I think they are hurting the sport as well as putting a shitload of pressure on certain fisheries.

It might be time to step up our self policing and make our own YouTube channel that is dedicated to responsible YouTubing. I have no real skill in that department, but reaction videos seem popular, breakdown videos like Jomboy does with sports, etc.

Kayak fishing content creators beware, time to start exposing these kooks and show what responsible, legal kayak fishing should look like.

It might be time to step up our self policing and make our own YouTube channel that is dedicated to responsible YouTubing. I have no real skill in that department, but reaction videos seem popular, breakdown videos like Jomboy does with sports, etc.

Kayak fishing content creators beware, time to start exposing these kooks and show what responsible, legal kayak fishing should look like.

Those jomboy videos are absolutely gold. That's not a bad idea

So it's only my opinion, but I think it was fairly good response.  He says he ha seen it so many times that he didn't really think there was something wrong with it.  How many other people think that there is a loop hole that they can keep fishing after a limit (like boaters do).  Maybe a Fishing Myth Busters channel is in order   

Not trying to be a dick, but I don't know a single serious fisherman who believes anything close to that.

He tried to cite an NOAA ruling on special permit pacific halibut fisheries as a defense, he doesn't have a special permit because you cant even get them right now, hes not a commercial boat, and the commercial halibut season is closed anyway.

Then he claimed boat limits and then the defence that he's seen others do it.

He never once looked at the regs and read the part that says "Daily Limit: 3 fish".

There's no excuse for ignorance and the dude hasn't been honest from the start.


I see serious fishermen breaking rules, knowing they are breaking rules. But I have never once met anyone who can catch fish like this guy, who isn't competent enough to know they're doing something they shouldn't.  You don't think he wondered why he was the first person in history to upload a triple and double limit on YouTube, let alone the first to mention it?

If I get pulled over for speeding can I just say I was giving half of my mph away at the end of my drive?   It's just common sense lol

What would be an acceptable way to own up to and make amends after making a mistake like this? 

What would be an acceptable way to own up to and make amends after making a mistake like this?

Burn him at the stake!!! 

Simple!
Be Genuine

This means don't make excuses, and dont continue to try to profit off of the wrongdoing.

Apologies don't include the word "But", and actions speak louder than words.

If he deleted the video and said nothing and never did it again that would be better than all the attempts he's already made. All he's done is try to bend the rules and draw lines in the sand. What he did is wrong, it's undeniable. Just cut the crap and move on with life, but this game of cat and mouse with different excuses is childish.

What would be an acceptable way to own up to and make amends after making a mistake like this? 

Hey guys, I made a mistake. I didn’t know that it was illegal and over limits to  catch fish and give them away, then continue fishing to get my own limit. I took that video down, and I promise to be better in the future.

In California, a fisherman cannot catch fish toward another person’s limit unless they are both licensed and on the same boat.

Lesson learned.

OK, I see your point about profiting off the mistake.  It would be better to just own up to the mistake and make the apology and show that you learned something from the situation. Re-writing the past is what pisses off people more I think.  Not owning up to a mistake would be worse though in my book, like just removing and then trying to make it appear like it never happened.

And the video is private once again.

not for me

not for me

Back up for me.  Maybe a stealth edit.

he deleted all comments and closed the discussion, and republished. yeah he clearly doesn't get it.

EDIT: And its down a 3rd time! lol maybe 3 is a charm

EDIT: Back up AGAIN

But...  then there's the fact that this type of behavior exists here too.

I see this as more of a systemic problem.  We are living in a world where opportunity is king, and if you sideline your ethics just a little, which is easy, you can enjoy all kinds of "free stuff" and popularity.

Our culture can't seem to find a way to cherish, revere, respect or fully protect the very resources that sustain us - even the planet itself!  What some F&S members are doing is just a result of the glorification of getting stuff - especially things that are scarce or becoming scarce.  I call it "Manifest Destiny gone wild."

"We" are hooked on finding out what we can get, getting it, sharing info about getting it, being stroked for getting it, and being some kind of expert on getting it.  None of us are immune to this because we have been indoctrinated, and the culture celebrates the getters and their getting.

How do we fix it?  I rack my brain over this quite often.  Extinction thresholds appear to be the only hope in many cases.  Who here thinks wild elephants should be shot for their ivory?  Basically no one, but there are starving people and probably a bunch who aren't starving who will kill the elephant if they can.  We're doing the same thing.  With ducks and deer, it appears that a balance can occur between hunting and the animal populations.  With fish on the west coast we have enjoyed about 100 to 150 years of going balls out on a killing mission, applying what feel like reasonable limits and regulations along the way, but now the climate is taking a shit, the ocean is losing its ability to sustain historic fisheries, and many people (look in the mirror here) are stuck in a go-get-it mentality because we have embraced that basically forever.

If we can't find ways to revere, respect and protect everything from limpets to butterflies, we can kiss it all good bye, and it'll largely be due to this trance that we've accepted in our lives.  We are like a bunch of Homer Simpsons, sleep-walking after endless hoagies and then bragging about it, but the hoagies are about to disappear.

Between our ineptness regarding our natural resources and the politics in this country, I have little hope that we can fix this without a calamity fixing it for us.

I think I'll go crabbing and grab a few clams, because I can.  Report at 11...