Stinson launch 5.23

Sorry my sharing my slow day of fishing off Stinson has created such anger.

First I live there, Calle Del Pinos. I grew up in Marin.
I wanted to share the slow day so everyone would know you probably did not miss any fish.

Hope to see you on the water or at the house. Always have the welcome mat out and happy to offer a cold beer.

 I really enjoy kayak fishing and most of all my fellow Kayakers.

Peace

Russ


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Stinson State Beach, Pacifica State Beach, Half Moon Bay State Beach.....is that specific enough?  They are state beaches, any order to close should come from the the governor and should apply to all resident of the state not just people that live outside the county of that the beach is in. Disallowing access to a state run public resource based on residency is a very discriminatory practice. Local closure orders are bullshit.  If the public allowed these pocket communities to dictate public access we would have been kicked off the beaches long ago and the state beach system would have been a private playground for the elite.

I agree with the above statement 100% , and yes I filmed the bolinas halibut bite.  I've been respectful of the location and support their community by buying things there. However, They don't own the ocean. They don't own the state beach. It's not a crime to film. What a "local" think of me has no relevance to my life. If  a person slashes tires and breaks onto a car it is a crime and that person should be treated as a criminal to the fullest extent of the law.

I think "over all" as  a kayak fishing community we have been respectful. Enough of the drama. I guess the SIP is making people kookie. Get out and go fishing. Geez

Get your head out of your ass.  Just because you bought stuff in that city doesn't mean you were respectful.  Anyone that knows you knows that is far from the truth.  Pretending to be a respectful human being on the internet and actually being one are different things.  Don't hide behind your keyboard pretending to be the the nicest guy around, because you ain't. 

If anyone else wants to continue being fake as fuck, keep exposing yourselves, I got you covered. 

Sorry my sharing my slow day of fishing off Stinson has created such anger.

First I live there, Calle Del Pinos. I grew up in Marin.
I wanted to share the slow day so everyone would know you probably did not miss any fish.

Hope to see you on the water or at the house. Always have the welcome mat out and happy to offer a cold beer.

 I really enjoy kayak fishing and most of all my fellow Kayakers.

Peace

Russ


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All good, this argument/discussion has been going on before you posted anyways so I don't think it was your fault.

Sorry my sharing my slow day of fishing off Stinson has created such anger.

First I live there, Calle Del Pinos. I grew up in Marin.
I wanted to share the slow day so everyone would know you probably did not miss any fish.

Hope to see you on the water or at the house. Always have the welcome mat out and happy to offer a cold beer.

 I really enjoy kayak fishing and most of all my fellow Kayakers.

Peace

Russ


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Hey Russ,
No need to apologize.  If you live there, then you’re well within your rights to go fishing there.  If anything, many of are envious because you have access to those waters.  Heck, I bet some guys might buddy up to you and ask permission to park on your street.  Otherwise, there’s those who don’t think the rules apply to them because they don’t agree with them.  With so many people coming into the sport everyday, many could think we condone those actions. 

Cheers!

Kevin

and yes I filmed the bolinas halibut bite.  I've been respectful of the location and support their community by buying things there. However, They don't own the ocean. They don't own the state beach. It's not a crime to film. What a "local" think of me has no relevance to my life.

Blowing open a spot that locals have kept quiet for decades is NOT being respectful of that location, even if you buy chips and soda at the general store. Nobody says they own the ocean or that it's illegal to record video, but there is always a cost when you leak a previously unknown fishing spot on the internet. You can never take it back once it's out. A fishing spot will only become more crowded and incur more fishing pressure over time. It's never the other way around. Once a video like yours is posted, that spot becomes known, crowded, and then overfished. This happens everywhere, over and over.

I mostly came up in a time before internet forums, where you had to explore the coast, meet locals, gain their trust, and eventually become one of the locals yourself. It's a cool feeling. Now everything, for better or worse, is available online.

No, I don’t think I’m missing your opinion.

You don’t like the temporary ordinances and rules that are taking place.  I agree with you on some of that.

You think there’s some ulterior motive, whether political or aligning to some conspiracy.  I don’t know about that much but I want to believe a part of it is truly for safety. 

You have your opinion and whether you think or want to believe what the state did, but they DID it.  I’m not justifying what they did but I’m outline what they did with facts.  You can’t ignore it as a resident of California even if you disagree with it. 

Now how we respond and finding a way to get the solution we want to end up in, is up to us and our peers.  The State and local laws should follow if there’s enough data and argument to convince them to overturn their orders (which is already happening in certain counties).

Original thoughts?  Have you not read what I’ve been typing between the quotes and outlines?  I already said i agreed with what most are disgruntled about.  I think the Heath Orders were somewhat poorly handled and testing mismanaged.  But that could go on national level.  At least we’re not as bad as some states in the East coast. 

Now, let me ask you this.  Do you think Covid-19 is fake?  You think all these rules is infringing on your freedom and rights?  Is it impossible to hold out for a few more weeks?  Do you personally know anyone tested positive and/or on their death bed?

I do.  His name is Greg Kwei. He’s a close family friend and I’m good friends with his son.  His son recently got married two weeks ago (witnesses only) and Greg was there, everything seemed fine.  Greg tested positive last week, no idea how he got it since he stays home, except for the wedding.  He’s now Alta Bates in Oakland. Sedated, on a breathing tube.  One day, doctors say he’s got a few hours, then his body pulls thru and the next day, there might be some experimental treatment.  I just remodeled his whole condo in February, he’s barely been able to enjoy it. 

So my thoughts?  The rules to me, pertaining kayak fishing access, are the rules, whether I like them or not.  I also know they’re only temporary.  Like I said before, whether you choose to follow them or not, is on you and if you were within my circle of fishing friends, then I’d rather not know what you’re doing.

Not sure why you think I’m ignoring any rules.  I know them, I’m operating within them, I just vehemently disagree with them based on their discriminatory nature.  I also believe that the “locals” on this board and all other forms of social media that are telling others to stay the fuck out of their communities, calling everyone else selfish for wanting to use a state resource and suggesting that we all just sacrifice because it’s only fishing/surfing/sunbathing/whatever, should suck it up and sacrifice with us for the same reasons.  They, theoretically, don’t have any extra rights that exceed mine. 

I’m not a conspiracy theorist or a covid denier. I’m a frontline worker and have been neck deep in covid19 for a little over a month.  To answer your questions, yes, two covid related passings in my circle (neither were related to frontline work). I know of multiple people that tested positive and I have been personally exposed.  That nasal swab is every bit as awful as it’s been said to be, neg thankfully.  So, I’m at the opposite end of the spectrum and believe very much that the SIP order has been relatively effective at slowing the spread.  With that being said, I haven’t abandoned my ability to set emotions aside and think pragmatically about what is going on. I think now is the time that’s most needed as I do believe that powers have been abused. 

This language is really sad to see:
rules are stupid, without any common sense
we're just idiotic COVID carrying morons

Go post something with optimism and stop being so negative.  Great and good things come from being positive - here, family, work, life.

You must have a bone to pick with me.  I did post something positive when someone asked about launching in Marin bay side and you shot it down, even after many others said it was also possible. 

And now you’re quoting me out of context with a one-sided view point. 
I wrote “some of the rules are stupid”.  Not all of them.  Remember when the government said playing tennis was okay, but you can’t touch the ball?   The people writing the SIP aren’t thinking about kayak fishermen in mind.

“We’re just idiotic COVID carrying morons”.  Okay, lots of sarcasm there... but have you been to Bolinas recently?  Probably not.  They don’t want us there.  They don’t want anyone outside there.  Yet, there has been at least 1-2 reports or people asking where to park there on this very forum.  Not everyone is a fishermen and understands our viewpoint of why it’s important to us.  As someone mentioned before, I’d like to be able to go back to Bolinas when this is all over without any broken glass and slashed tires on my truck.

Try thinking past yourself a little more. Why do you feel I’m being negative?  Because I love this community so damn much that it pisses me off seeing the lack of common sense and respect for the local communities who aren’t fishermen. 

 If you want to discuss more, then feel free to PM me.

It wasn't that long ago that FishingAddict was being a constant dick about anyone fishing San Mateo Coast...only because he didn't feel it was safe.  Your message is good and all, but you are not in any position to be putting people on blast and telling them they need to be more positive.  I'm too lazy to dig up your posts, but you posted some grim ass scenarios about shark attacks that may happen to us, which is beyond negative, borderline dark. 

You can sit your ass back down pretending to be all high and mighty. 

Who's next...who wants me to rip em a new one?   

Might be the "addict" thing...good food on that grub page though...

Finngod you bring the beer since you started this mess 

Just kidding bro you’re good but wasn’t kidding about the beer.

Welcome!

Not sure why you think I’m ignoring any rules.  I know them, I’m operating within them, I just vehemently disagree with them based on their discriminatory nature.  I also believe that the “locals” on this board and all other forms of social media that are telling others to stay the fuck out of their communities, calling everyone else selfish for wanting to use a state resource and suggesting that we all just sacrifice because it’s only fishing/surfing/sunbathing/whatever, should suck it up and sacrifice with us for the same reasons.  They, theoretically, don’t have any extra rights that exceed mine. 

I’m not a conspiracy theorist or a covid denier. I’m a frontline worker and have been neck deep in covid19 for a little over a month.  To answer your questions, yes, two covid related passings in my circle (neither were related to frontline work). I know of multiple people that tested positive and I have been personally exposed.  That nasal swab is every bit as awful as it’s been said to be, neg thankfully.  So, I’m at the opposite end of the spectrum and believe very much that the SIP order has been relatively effective at slowing the spread.  With that being said, I haven’t abandoned my ability to set emotions aside and think pragmatically about what is going on. I think now is the time that’s most needed as I do believe that powers have been abused.

Agreed.

FWIW - In my previous posts any mention of locals does not pertain to me. I'm from Santa Rosa and I'm sure I would be just as unwelcome as anyone else in Bodega and North and I respect that even though I've spent hundreds, if not thousands, of hours on the beaches. I've also been involved with the Sonoma County Parks Assoc. through my work and have put together voluntary clean-up crews 2-4 times a year where we go clean up Doran or The Dunes...but whatever.

And thanks for being out there on the front line for us, Brohemian. I've suffered right along with everyone else. Through this whole thing I've home-schooled my kids in the morning while Vy is at work as a Pharmacy Tech and I've worked 6-8 hours almost every evening 3D printing face shields for front-line workers even though I could be sitting on my ass at home and collecting emergency leave pay.

Like I said earlier, I couldn't care less about kayak fishing now. All I really want to do right now is kick it with my fucking homies or take Derik shark fishing. Even then, I'm not going to rush out to any of the beaches or Tomales the first day or even week that they open.

Anyway - My brain was getting fried from Call of Duty so I had to take a break for a minute. I'm gonna go get back to smokin' foolz.

Antonio, don't make me get started on you!  I got some juicy pics of you. 

For you fake ones, good choice on not debating back because I would have destroyed you even further.  Stay fake.   

No, I don’t think I’m missing your opinion.

You don’t like the temporary ordinances and rules that are taking place.  I agree with you on some of that.

You think there’s some ulterior motive, whether political or aligning to some conspiracy.  I don’t know about that much but I want to believe a part of it is truly for safety. 

You have your opinion and whether you think or want to believe what the state did, but they DID it.  I’m not justifying what they did but I’m outline what they did with facts.  You can’t ignore it as a resident of California even if you disagree with it. 

Now how we respond and finding a way to get the solution we want to end up in, is up to us and our peers.  The State and local laws should follow if there’s enough data and argument to convince them to overturn their orders (which is already happening in certain counties).

Original thoughts?  Have you not read what I’ve been typing between the quotes and outlines?  I already said i agreed with what most are disgruntled about.  I think the Heath Orders were somewhat poorly handled and testing mismanaged.  But that could go on national level.  At least we’re not as bad as some states in the East coast. 

Now, let me ask you this.  Do you think Covid-19 is fake?  You think all these rules is infringing on your freedom and rights?  Is it impossible to hold out for a few more weeks?  Do you personally know anyone tested positive and/or on their death bed?

I do.  His name is Greg Kwei. He’s a close family friend and I’m good friends with his son.  His son recently got married two weeks ago (witnesses only) and Greg was there, everything seemed fine.  Greg tested positive last week, no idea how he got it since he stays home, except for the wedding.  He’s now Alta Bates in Oakland. Sedated, on a breathing tube.  One day, doctors say he’s got a few hours, then his body pulls thru and the next day, there might be some experimental treatment.  I just remodeled his whole condo in February, he’s barely been able to enjoy it. 

So my thoughts?  The rules to me, pertaining kayak fishing access, are the rules, whether I like them or not.  I also know they’re only temporary.  Like I said before, whether you choose to follow them or not, is on you and if you were within my circle of fishing friends, then I’d rather not know what you’re doing.

Not sure why you think I’m ignoring any rules.  I know them, I’m operating within them, I just vehemently disagree with them based on their discriminatory nature.  I also believe that the “locals” on this board and all other forms of social media that are telling others to stay the fuck out of their communities, calling everyone else selfish for wanting to use a state resource and suggesting that we all just sacrifice because it’s only fishing/surfing/sunbathing/whatever, should suck it up and sacrifice with us for the same reasons.  They, theoretically, don’t have any extra rights that exceed mine. 

I’m not a conspiracy theorist or a covid denier. I’m a frontline worker and have been neck deep in covid19 for a little over a month.  To answer your questions, yes, two covid related passings in my circle (neither were related to frontline work). I know of multiple people that tested positive and I have been personally exposed.  That nasal swab is every bit as awful as it’s been said to be, neg thankfully.  So, I’m at the opposite end of the spectrum and believe very much that the SIP order has been relatively effective at slowing the spread.  With that being said, I haven’t abandoned my ability to set emotions aside and think pragmatically about what is going on. I think now is the time that’s most needed as I do believe that powers have been abused.

Fwiw I haven't driven to or launched at bolinas or muir or any of the closed locations. So I am suckling it up.  Suggest you do the same.

No, I don’t think I’m missing your opinion.

You don’t like the temporary ordinances and rules that are taking place.  I agree with you on some of that.

You think there’s some ulterior motive, whether political or aligning to some conspiracy.  I don’t know about that much but I want to believe a part of it is truly for safety. 

You have your opinion and whether you think or want to believe what the state did, but they DID it.  I’m not justifying what they did but I’m outline what they did with facts.  You can’t ignore it as a resident of California even if you disagree with it. 

Now how we respond and finding a way to get the solution we want to end up in, is up to us and our peers.  The State and local laws should follow if there’s enough data and argument to convince them to overturn their orders (which is already happening in certain counties).

Original thoughts?  Have you not read what I’ve been typing between the quotes and outlines?  I already said i agreed with what most are disgruntled about.  I think the Heath Orders were somewhat poorly handled and testing mismanaged.  But that could go on national level.  At least we’re not as bad as some states in the East coast. 

Now, let me ask you this.  Do you think Covid-19 is fake?  You think all these rules is infringing on your freedom and rights?  Is it impossible to hold out for a few more weeks?  Do you personally know anyone tested positive and/or on their death bed?

I do.  His name is Greg Kwei. He’s a close family friend and I’m good friends with his son.  His son recently got married two weeks ago (witnesses only) and Greg was there, everything seemed fine.  Greg tested positive last week, no idea how he got it since he stays home, except for the wedding.  He’s now Alta Bates in Oakland. Sedated, on a breathing tube.  One day, doctors say he’s got a few hours, then his body pulls thru and the next day, there might be some experimental treatment.  I just remodeled his whole condo in February, he’s barely been able to enjoy it. 

So my thoughts?  The rules to me, pertaining kayak fishing access, are the rules, whether I like them or not.  I also know they’re only temporary.  Like I said before, whether you choose to follow them or not, is on you and if you were within my circle of fishing friends, then I’d rather not know what you’re doing.

Not sure why you think I’m ignoring any rules.  I know them, I’m operating within them, I just vehemently disagree with them based on their discriminatory nature.  I also believe that the “locals” on this board and all other forms of social media that are telling others to stay the fuck out of their communities, calling everyone else selfish for wanting to use a state resource and suggesting that we all just sacrifice because it’s only fishing/surfing/sunbathing/whatever, should suck it up and sacrifice with us for the same reasons.  They, theoretically, don’t have any extra rights that exceed mine. 

I’m not a conspiracy theorist or a covid denier. I’m a frontline worker and have been neck deep in covid19 for a little over a month.  To answer your questions, yes, two covid related passings in my circle (neither were related to frontline work). I know of multiple people that tested positive and I have been personally exposed.  That nasal swab is every bit as awful as it’s been said to be, neg thankfully.  So, I’m at the opposite end of the spectrum and believe very much that the SIP order has been relatively effective at slowing the spread.  With that being said, I haven’t abandoned my ability to set emotions aside and think pragmatically about what is going on. I think now is the time that’s most needed as I do believe that powers have been abused.

Fwiw I haven't driven to or launched at bolinas or muir or any of the closed locations. So I am suckling it up.  Suggest you do the same.

Finally a win win scenario here. Lol
Steve does not kayak anymore and ex kayaker does not kayak anymore as well. Well probably. Haha

No, I don’t think I’m missing your opinion.

You don’t like the temporary ordinances and rules that are taking place.  I agree with you on some of that.

You think there’s some ulterior motive, whether political or aligning to some conspiracy.  I don’t know about that much but I want to believe a part of it is truly for safety. 

You have your opinion and whether you think or want to believe what the state did, but they DID it.  I’m not justifying what they did but I’m outline what they did with facts.  You can’t ignore it as a resident of California even if you disagree with it. 

Now how we respond and finding a way to get the solution we want to end up in, is up to us and our peers.  The State and local laws should follow if there’s enough data and argument to convince them to overturn their orders (which is already happening in certain counties).

Original thoughts?  Have you not read what I’ve been typing between the quotes and outlines?  I already said i agreed with what most are disgruntled about.  I think the Heath Orders were somewhat poorly handled and testing mismanaged.  But that could go on national level.  At least we’re not as bad as some states in the East coast. 

Now, let me ask you this.  Do you think Covid-19 is fake?  You think all these rules is infringing on your freedom and rights?  Is it impossible to hold out for a few more weeks?  Do you personally know anyone tested positive and/or on their death bed?

I do.  His name is Greg Kwei. He’s a close family friend and I’m good friends with his son.  His son recently got married two weeks ago (witnesses only) and Greg was there, everything seemed fine.  Greg tested positive last week, no idea how he got it since he stays home, except for the wedding.  He’s now Alta Bates in Oakland. Sedated, on a breathing tube.  One day, doctors say he’s got a few hours, then his body pulls thru and the next day, there might be some experimental treatment.  I just remodeled his whole condo in February, he’s barely been able to enjoy it. 

So my thoughts?  The rules to me, pertaining kayak fishing access, are the rules, whether I like them or not.  I also know they’re only temporary.  Like I said before, whether you choose to follow them or not, is on you and if you were within my circle of fishing friends, then I’d rather not know what you’re doing.

Not sure why you think I’m ignoring any rules.  I know them, I’m operating within them, I just vehemently disagree with them based on their discriminatory nature.  I also believe that the “locals” on this board and all other forms of social media that are telling others to stay the fuck out of their communities, calling everyone else selfish for wanting to use a state resource and suggesting that we all just sacrifice because it’s only fishing/surfing/sunbathing/whatever, should suck it up and sacrifice with us for the same reasons.  They, theoretically, don’t have any extra rights that exceed mine. 

I’m not a conspiracy theorist or a covid denier. I’m a frontline worker and have been neck deep in covid19 for a little over a month.  To answer your questions, yes, two covid related passings in my circle (neither were related to frontline work). I know of multiple people that tested positive and I have been personally exposed.  That nasal swab is every bit as awful as it’s been said to be, neg thankfully.  So, I’m at the opposite end of the spectrum and believe very much that the SIP order has been relatively effective at slowing the spread.  With that being said, I haven’t abandoned my ability to set emotions aside and think pragmatically about what is going on. I think now is the time that’s most needed as I do believe that powers have been abused.

Fwiw I haven't driven to or launched at bolinas or muir or any of the closed locations. So I am suckling it up.  Suggest you do the same.

Can you read?  I clearly posted that I haven’t broken any orders. 

Finally a win win scenario here. Lol
Steve does not kayak anymore and ex kayaker does not kayak anymore as well. Well probably. Haha

  Well done.   


I do still kayak regularly though 

Finally a win win scenario here. Lol
Steve does not kayak anymore and ex kayaker does not kayak anymore as well. Well probably. Haha

  Well done.   


I do still kayak regularly though 

I laughed out loud as well!  Time to put sumpin’ on the BBQ...got in a little trouble and I gotta stash my remaining Lagunitas Waldos out of the house...glad your still yakkin’...

Finally a win win scenario here. Lol
Steve does not kayak anymore and ex kayaker does not kayak anymore as well. Well probably. Haha

I do still kayak regularly though 

I don't believe it.