Why would Fishermans Warehouse Sell these?

Did not even think a bad thought on a business that sells items that can't be used in Ca for the species it is labeled for on the package. 

Last year I just got back into ocean fishing after a long break.  I wanted to buy some pre rigged stuff for salmon and also had issues with all the gear having barbs. 

If a store wants to have good customer service they should offer what is allowed in the state where their business is and then if they want to taylor business for other states they can. 

But I saw a little sign at the rite aid in Ft Bragg for small crab pole traps that said you need to remove one line to make it legal for ca.  That's was cool to see because they did not want to sell something that would get a customer a ticket. 

If you don't want a bunch of signs you can have a small section of gear that is only legal in other states so people don't accidental buy barbed hooks when they can't legally fish with them. 

Rules are heavy and it takes awhile for someone to get them all down.  So it's not about someone should know all the rules its about the ones who think if something is labeled species specific it should be legal in the location you purchased it. 

Did not even think a bad thought on a business that sells items that can't be used in Ca for the species it is labeled for on the package. 

Last year I just got back into ocean fishing after a long break.  I wanted to buy some pre rigged stuff for salmon and also had issues with all the gear having barbs. 

If a store wants to have good customer service they should offer what is allowed in the state where their business is and then if they want to taylor business for other states they can. 

But I saw a little sign at the rite aid in Ft Bragg for small crab pole traps that said you need to remove one line to make it legal for ca.  That's was cool to see because they did not want to sell something that would get a customer a ticket. 

If you don't want a bunch of signs you can have a small section of gear that is only legal in other states so people don't accidental buy barbed hooks when they can't legally fish with them. 

Rules are heavy and it takes awhile for someone to get them all down.  So it's not about someone should know all the rules its about the ones who think if something is labeled species specific it should be legal in the location you purchased it. 

It could be something as simple as a small sticker with the outline of the shape of California with a red circle around it and a line through it.

Dale,
you are probably right, a little over the top, but I take this buisness personally.  After over 25 years in the industry, I have seen this kind of thinking cause major changes. The "I cant use it so you are bad for offering it" mentality has led to gun bans and such. I stand behind our decision to continue to sell items that are not legal for use here. Times are tough in the tackle industry and if I can sell products to anglers traveling to different states or countries,  than that is a big plus. If an angler was to purchase these items in my store, we always ask where they intend to use them and make sure they know the regs, just as we do with throw nets.
Yes im a bit over the top, but this is my livelihood, and too many are already trying to eliminate it ..... they dont need any more ammo.

http://www.fishermanswarehouse.com/shop/fish-tec-2-hook-sturgeon-leader/

look at the end of the question, that emotion makes it abrasive.

Disagreeing with the perceived implications via an emoticon does not make it abrasive.  Thicker skin Eric!

-Allen

 I don't think anyone is planing a boycott of FW.     Certainly not worth getting upset over .

   Add;   " Dremel  attachment sold separately".         ( hope i didn't use the wrong emoticon )

The tackle industry is tough!  I ran a tackle shop in Florida for a few years and attended the Big Rock Tackle Shows 1-2x a year to buy the tackle to keep the shop running.  The shows are great!  TONS of lures & all the new stuff on the market.  Rep's on hand to show you what they "think" might be applicable to your market.  Problem is, these tackle manufacturers don't know the rules & regulations for any particular area.  What may be legal here, may not be legal there.  They have to make a choice ... do they manufacture to the strictest standards for any given state or just make it & leave it up to the fisherman, who MUST know the regulations for their given area/species, to choose what they use it for.  You are damned if you do & damned if you don't.  I have quite a few 2-hook slip rigs in my tackle box that were legal for salmon but now, not.  I still keep them around because they are useful for other fish.

How often do we buy a rod, or reel that is intended for bass fishing because we like the action & think it would be applicable to a different use.  Though different in intent, the outcome is the same.  Re-purposing one item to use as another.

Eric, I applaud you & your staff for taking the time to discuss the where/how of what your customer is fishing for to better understand what they need vs. what is in their shopping basket. 

I have quite a few 2-hook slip rigs in my tackle box that were legal for salmon but now, not.

I'll take all those "illegal" rigs off your hands - they caught all my salmon but one last summer.   

When people ask over and over about what's legal to use for salmon fishing in the ocean it makes me realize that I'm fortunate to be someone who's dedicated enough to my hobby to be well versed in the regulations and gear restrictions.  If I go sturgeon fishing (not likely any time soon) there's no way I'd even buy any tackle prior to understanding the rules.  (insert "Duh" emoticon here)

Good for you, Eric, for standing up for your store.

Eric I did intend to bash just thought it was irresponsible not to put a disclaimer on it or just advertise as 2 hook rigs.

 

Eric I did intend to bash just thought it was irresponsible not to put a disclaimer on it or just advertise as 2 hook rigs.

 

Again,
We appreciate your buisness, but please remember .... You are not our only market.
If we label all products or separate product by legal area, the cost of manpower and space would put us out of buisness.
 If I lived in San Francisco,  I would not bash a store for selling ammunition,  even though guns are illegal there.

Eric,
Thanks for the response, as a individual sportsman in California I am continually frustrated by the increased regs limiting my activities.  I can't imagine the frustrations you experience trying to run a fishing focused business.

Hope you all have a good Holiday Season.

Those make great sha-ray rigs (sharks & rays).
If we want manufacturers to put a disclaimer or label warning that these rigs are not legal (the way they're currently rigged) in certain states, then be prepared to pay even more for the product!
It was a valid observation by Mickfish and Yakhopper took offense to it, with good reason...he cares a ton about FW and his livelihood. The end.

Side note, I always hear people complain that the 'fishing industry is struggling.' But it sure seems like the fishing tackle industry is thriving right now. There has never been more manufacturers & brands & options & types of gear. It's a great time to be a consumer!

All that barbed salmon gear is legal in CA, just not in the ocean. Just sayin'. No reason to bash FW here. Sturgeon gear we all know needs to be barbless, so those rigs would make good catfish or Striper gear. Who cares if they sell it?

+1

I would buy that still for many other purposes . I think it is a dumb question that was reflecting a bad stance on FW

I don't have any bad feelings towards FW but I work grocery. If we sold pancake mix that you couldn't actually make pancakes with but it made a wonderful biscuit people would get upset. Unfortunately it seems like retailers always sound harsh when responding to criticism on this forum. I'm not sure if that's just because we hold you to a higher standard or you're easily butt hurt. Relax everything going to be alright. I'm sending you a big hug telepathically right now.

I don't have any bad feelings towards FW but I work grocery. If we sold pancake mix that you couldn't actually make pancakes with but it made a wonderful biscuit people would get upset. Unfortunately it seems like retailers always sound harsh when responding to criticism on this forum. I'm not sure if that's just because we hold you to a higher standard or you're easily butt hurt. Relax everything going to be alright. I'm sending you a big hug telepathically right now.

Bisquick makes pancakes, waffles or biscuits.  But if i had to leave California to eat them that could be an issue. 

You got some good points about retailers. 

Send out them telepathic hugs. 

Hey I like biscuits! Two of them, now all I need is a chick named Barb, and I am good to go!