Official 2012 AOTY Thread

The following question has come up with respect to open waters.  National Parks don't necessarily require a state license to fish in.  Our intent is not to rule out fishing in NP waters, so we will add that fish caught from NP waters are eligible provide the regulations of that NP are followed. 

The same issue may also exist with Reservations.  I must admit, I don't have much of a clue for CA Reservations.  Anyone?

The intent of these rules is to allow equal opportunity sport fishing on waters that don't have additional fees associated with them (other than normal licensing fees).  This rules out private/club ponds and fish farms.

-Allen

It is usually a longer paddle to get to pacific halibut

I believe you are making assumptioms without access to the relevant facts.

The intent of these rules is to allow equal opportunity sport fishing on waters that don't have additional fees associated with them (other than normal licensing fees).  This rules out private/club ponds and fish farms.

I think that the idea is much easier to convey when you just state it, rather than worrying about the verbiage for waters where a DFG license is required.

Make the rule simple, and split it into two?
1. Fish caught from waterways with restricted access to the public, such as members only or private waterways are not allowed.
2. Fish caught from waters where anglers have to pay on a per fish basis are not allowed.

The intent of these rules is to allow equal opportunity sport fishing on waters that don't have additional fees associated with them (other than normal licensing fees).  This rules out private/club ponds and fish farms.

I think that the idea is much easier to convey when you just state it, rather than worrying about the verbiage for waters where a DFG license is required.

Make the rule simple, and split it into two?
1. Fish caught from waterways with restricted access to the public, such as members only or private waterways are not allowed.
2. Fish caught from waters where anglers have to pay on a per fish basis are not allowed.

Yup.  I was thinking the same.

-Allen

The intent of these rules is to allow equal opportunity sport fishing on waters that don't have additional fees associated with them (other than normal licensing fees).  This rules out private/club ponds and fish farms.

I think that the idea is much easier to convey when you just state it, rather than worrying about the verbiage for waters where a DFG license is required.

Make the rule simple, and split it into two?
1. Fish caught from waterways with restricted access to the public, such as members only or private waterways are not allowed.
2. Fish caught from waters where anglers have to pay on a per fish basis are not allowed.

Agreed.  Some lakes have launch fees and/or inspection fees.  Presumably those lakes are ok for AOTY purposes?  Or is one ok but not the other?

There's never been a restriction on lakes with launch fees/inspection fees. that's just the cost of fishing in our state!

The mean is the arithmetic average of a group of scores. The mean is sensitive to extreme scores when population samples are small.

The median is the middle score in a list of scores; it is the point at which half the scores are above and half the scores are below.

 

And that's why they call you the fisheducator!!!

-Allen

Thanks Allen, even though I knew the answer due to my water treatment classes, Google put it much better 

I am working on my freshwater mojo, but so far it seems like I left it in Texas.  I tried to get a fat Clear Lake winter bass off jumbo minnows, but no love. 

Im sure I will sign up soon enough considering I have the highest 6 fish average and started the tournament almost half way through the year.

For me, Northern California doesn't start until Sonoma county.

Im not done yet for this years AOTY.  At least I hope not.

Hey Rob, if you work with me on the saltwater game plan I'll help you with the freshwater game plan 

The intent of these rules is to allow equal opportunity sport fishing on waters that don't have additional fees associated with them (other than normal licensing fees).  This rules out private/club ponds and fish farms.

I think that the idea is much easier to convey when you just state it, rather than worrying about the verbiage for waters where a DFG license is required.

Make the rule simple, and split it into two?
1. Fish caught from waterways with restricted access to the public, such as members only or private waterways are not allowed.
2. Fish caught from waters where anglers have to pay on a per fish basis are not allowed.

I made changes to the original post reflecting these thoughts.  Thanks for the wording BMB.

-Allen

I'm in!  Just a heads up, and I put a note on the PayPal payment, but I paid with my wife's paypal account so if there is any questions brenruf at aol.com is from Roughster!

I am still questioning the removal of Flounder for Pacific Halibut.  Why?  You can target Flounder and catch them legally.  It is virtually impossible to target Pacific Halibut as opposed to California Halibut given you stay in California.  Most Pacific Halibut are by-catches from targeting other fish and just the luck of the stars that made a difference between California / Pacific.  Not that I am wound up over this but several of us talked about this change at Timber Cove this week and I just don't see the logic.  It seems like AOTY is adding a big "random" to the scoring w/Pacific Halibut. 

It would be different if this was Washington / Oregon.  Does NWKA have California Halibut as a separate species in their AOTY?  The answer is no...

I am still questioning the removal of Flounder for Pacific Halibut.  Why?  You can target Flounder and catch them legally.  It is virtually impossible to target Pacific Halibut as opposed to California Halibut given you stay in California.  Most Pacific Halibut are by-catches from targeting other fish and just the luck of the stars that made a difference between California / Pacific.  Not that I am wound up over this but several of us talked about this change at Timber Cove this week and I just don't see the logic.  It seems like AOTY is adding a big "random" to the scoring w/Pacific Halibut. 

It would be different if this was Washington / Oregon.  Does NWKA have California Halibut as a separate species in their AOTY?  The answer is no...

How many of the current top 10 have a flounder in their top 10?  Answer: none.  How many have even entered one?  I'm going to guess that you guys are not really questioning the removal of flounder as much as you are questioning the addition of Pacific Halibut.  We keep hearing over and over again that AOTY has challenged people to try new fisheries that they otherwise would not have, and that has been one of the highlights of it for them.  Well ... let's try this one out and see where it leads.  If we come out of 2012 thinking it was a flop, then we'll re-consider it.  But until then, enjoy the ride!

-Allen

You got nineteen other specie to target. You dont want a pac hali? Are you crazy? It gives the guys up north something else to target. We have way more specie down here. Your beloved Berry should give you 6 of them. Flounder are crap.

Butt, butt, butt I know where I can easily catch big flounder!!    I hear ya, definitely puts a nice feather in the cap for the far North NorCaler's...Hmm maybe I'll need to give a Crescent City north run a go! 

For anyone looking for flounders, mouth of Petaluma up river to the 1st slight bend left (west).  Drop a pile worm down on the edge of the channel and your almost guaranteed a starry flounder.  Same rig / same location will also score Sturgeon and Striped Bass.  The other good flounder place I know is incoming tide by the 7 mile slough bridge.

I guess I need to figure out where I can target Pacific Hali!  One more day till AOTY 2012 begins!

For anyone looking for flounders, mouth of Petaluma up river to the 1st slight bend left (west).  Drop a pile worm down on the edge of the channel and your almost guaranteed a starry flounder.

just remember that starry flounder falls under groundfish regs, and are no take until june 1st when rockfish opens, unless you are east of the carquinez bridge