I could live without healthcare reform! How about you?

Deregualtion, what are you talking about? Clinton put all his people at the heads of all the Federal regualtory agencys and then told them not to enforce any business laws.

This is just silly. What about Bush? He had 8 years to change whatever it is you're talking about. Now you want to claim Obama is continuing what you imagine. How is it that laws aren't enforced, as you put it, and no one brings it to court? All excuses as far as I can tell.

Bush proscuted a lots of people, but he never had enough votes to put some of the rules back on that Clinton took off. What comes to mind is that Bush could never get enough votes to put the rules back on Fannie and Freddie to prevent the housing crisis we now are all suffering from.

Bush made Freito Lay back off but by then 12 regional snack manufacvotrs where out of businesss with thousands laid off. He also tried to get the commdoity markets rules put back on them but the Dems kept blocking that and we all pay with run ups in oil and food prices.

You know the funny thing is that i am a JFK liberal which make me in todays world an arch conserative.

Ocean, not interested in answering me? Ill just take that as, in this debate, advantage sharky.

Bush proscuted a lots of people, but he never had enough votes to put some of the rules back on that Clinton took off.

Bull

all i can say is its easy to cuts healthcare cost in half but the liberals are all about big government and big brother.

Would that be big brother in the sense of The Patriot Act, or unlawful wire tapping, Or initiating the banker bailout, or lying to the country to get bogged down in a war in Mesopotamia and sacrificing 4000+ brave American troops and over 100000 innocent Iraqis just to win an election, Or creating caged in Free Sp each zones at your parties rallies. Ocean please, you're arguments are pathetic, divisive, insulting and boarder line racist. Please tell me the name of you're company so i can add your products to my personal sanctions list.

PS your insinuation that the homeless are lazy and want to be that way gives the rest of us great insight to your intellect.

The patriot act tapped phone lines with calls to and from the middle east, and resulted is stopping at least a dozen domestic acts and saving hunderds of thousands american lives. Becasuse of that act the fed just busted some more terriost that where going to bomb NY subways. Or dont you pay attention to these things.
Perhaps if you dont like what Bush did to safe gaurd this country, we can put you and everyone else who complains about what he did in the libary tower in LA and not have had the Patriot act.
Then that plot to fly an airliner into that building would have been successful and you could all pay the ultimate price for being a slave to the TV.

the attack on Iraq had to have happened it didnt matter who would have been president, Al Quida attacked un on 9/11 to start a revolution in Saudi Arabia. We had to put an army on the border of Saudi Arabia and at the same time get rid of Sadam and stablize the middle east so busineess would come in and give all those people there jobs so they wont become future terriosts.
The results is that the Saudis took on Al Quida in their country and while it was really close for a couple of weeks on who would win, the Saudis did. With Sadam gone alone with his crazy sons the middle east is booming nad has been for years now. the airport with the high rate of traffic int he world is now in Dubi.
And here we have been safe since 9/11, thanks to the patriot act. And Bush never lied to the congress Plosiki and Reed knew everything and they lied to all you liberals.
My manufactoring company sorry its gone taks to Clinton and all my shelf sapce being bought out form under me.
My wifes company sorry that cutting edge research and you wouldnt know her clients unless you know who the big labs are in this country.

Hope this answers your questions.

Bush proscuted a lots of people, but he never had enough votes to put some of the rules back on that Clinton took off.

Bull

In 2002 Bush made a speech about the up coming mortage crisis, in 2005 McCain made a passinoate plea before congress about the upcoming mortage crisis. The Dems refused to vote for any changes as they wanted to redistrubite the wealth to the poor anyway they could.

clinton has gone al long ways towards destroying this counry and Obama is going to finish it off. Take from all the hardworking productive people and give to those who dont produce or who do the mimmuim about of work thingk they are owed a living.

all i can say is its easy to cuts healthcare cost in half but the liberals are all about big government and big brother.

Would that be big brother in the sense of The Patriot Act, or unlawful wire tapping, Or initiating the banker bailout, or lying to the country to get bogged down in a war in Mesopotamia and sacrificing 4000+ brave American troops and over 100000 innocent Iraqis just to win an election, Or creating caged in Free Sp each zones at your parties rallies. Ocean please, you're arguments are pathetic, divisive, insulting and boarder line racist. Please tell me the name of you're company so i can add your products to my personal sanctions list.

PS your insinuation that the homeless are lazy and want to be that way gives the rest of us great insight to your intellect.

The patriot act tapped phone lines with calls to and from the middle east, and resulted is stopping at least a dozen domestic acts and saving hunderds of thousands american lives. Becasuse of that act the fed just busted some more terriost that where going to bomb NY subways. Or dont you pay attention to these things.
Perhaps if you dont like what Bush did to safe gaurd this country, we can put you and everyone else who complains about what he did in the libary tower in LA and not have had the Patriot act.
Then that plot to fly an airliner into that building would have been successful and you could all pay the ultimate price for being a slave to the TV.

the attack on Iraq had to have happened it didnt matter who would have been president, Al Quida attacked un on 9/11 to start a revolution in Saudi Arabia. We had to put an army on the border of Saudi Arabia and at the same time get rid of Sadam and stablize the middle east so busineess would come in and give all those people there jobs so they wont become future terriosts.
The results is that the Saudis took on Al Quida in their country and while it was really close for a couple of weeks on who would win, the Saudis did. With Sadam gone alone with his crazy sons the middle east is booming nad has been for years now. the airport with the high rate of traffic int he world is now in Dubi.
And here we have been safe since 9/11, thanks to the patriot act. And Bush never lied to the congress Plosiki and Reed knew everything and they lied to all you liberals.
My manufactoring company sorry its gone taks to Clinton and all my shelf sapce being bought out form under me.
My wifes company sorry that cutting edge research and you wouldnt know her clients unless you know who the big labs are in this country.

Hope this answers your questions.

"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

-Ben Franklin...

Slave to TV? I think I am a slave to the constitution. Blanket wiretaping of US citizens is pretty scary man, no matter what the results. When does it end?

Bush proscuted a lots of people, but he never had enough votes to put some of the rules back on that Clinton took off.

Bull

In 2002 Bush made a speech about the up coming mortage crisis, in 2005 McCain made a passinoate plea before congress about the upcoming mortage crisis. The Dems refused to vote for any changes as they wanted to redistrubite the wealth to the poor anyway they could.

clinton has gone al long ways towards destroying this counry and Obama is going to finish it off. Take from all the hardworking productive people and give to those who dont produce or who do the mimmuim about of work thingk they are owed a living.

Got links to those speeches?

what Obama needs to do is to get the rules back on the commidity markets and Wall street the way they where before clinton became president. ASAP!!!

Its beyond discust that with control of both houses he can not put the up tick rule back on, position limits back on. Limit the banks from becoming investment banks and requalr banks and so on.

Right now the NYMEX (commidity) market is just a license to steal.

Ohh wait it must be this 2002 speech...

all i can say is its easy to cuts healthcare cost in half but the liberals are all about big government and big brother.

Would that be big brother in the sense of The Patriot Act, or unlawful wire tapping, Or initiating the banker bailout, or lying to the country to get bogged down in a war in Mesopotamia and sacrificing 4000+ brave American troops and over 100000 innocent Iraqis just to win an election, Or creating caged in Free Sp each zones at your parties rallies. Ocean please, you're arguments are pathetic, divisive, insulting and boarder line racist. Please tell me the name of you're company so i can add your products to my personal sanctions list.

PS your insinuation that the homeless are lazy and want to be that way gives the rest of us great insight to your intellect.

The patriot act tapped phone lines with calls to and from the middle east, and resulted is stopping at least a dozen domestic acts and saving hunderds of thousands american lives. Becasuse of that act the fed just busted some more terriost that where going to bomb NY subways. Or dont you pay attention to these things.
Perhaps if you dont like what Bush did to safe gaurd this country, we can put you and everyone else who complains about what he did in the libary tower in LA and not have had the Patriot act.
Then that plot to fly an airliner into that building would have been successful and you could all pay the ultimate price for being a slave to the TV.

the attack on Iraq had to have happened it didnt matter who would have been president, Al Quida attacked un on 9/11 to start a revolution in Saudi Arabia. We had to put an army on the border of Saudi Arabia and at the same time get rid of Sadam and stablize the middle east so busineess would come in and give all those people there jobs so they wont become future terriosts.
The results is that the Saudis took on Al Quida in their country and while it was really close for a couple of weeks on who would win, the Saudis did. With Sadam gone alone with his crazy sons the middle east is booming nad has been for years now. the airport with the high rate of traffic int he world is now in Dubi.
And here we have been safe since 9/11, thanks to the patriot act. And Bush never lied to the congress Plosiki and Reed knew everything and they lied to all you liberals.
My manufactoring company sorry its gone taks to Clinton and all my shelf sapce being bought out form under me.
My wifes company sorry that cutting edge research and you wouldnt know her clients unless you know who the big labs are in this country.

Hope this answers your questions.

"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

-Ben Franklin...

Slave to TV? I think I am a slave to the constitution. Blanket wiretaping of US citizens is pretty scary man, no matter what the results. When does it end?

I agree, but i think that the patroit was and is very neccessary. The end of Al Quida is very close as Pakastain is finally moving against them is the swat valley and the tribal areas. the end game is happening,, hopefully.

You can google the speaches just look for McCain speech in 2005 on the mortage crisis it was a major speech.

Yeah I can see McCain calling it out, he is pretty smart, but what does that have to do with anything? McCain is about the closet thing to a leader in the gov. today. He sold his soul to get the GOP nomination and I lost a lot of faith in him, then he picked you know who and it was over...

I agree that some more regs. need to get put in place but lets get the ship righted before we try to slow it down.


Oh and lets try to keep it on topic

I agree let keep on healthcare. what needs to be done right away is to change obesity from being called a disability by the goverment. That way companies can offer incentives to their emloyees to lose wieght and take care of their bodies.

Ocean - I'm not sure that weight issues are the only health problems in this country. And speaking of weight problems, what was the nutritional content of your snack product?

You seem very judgmental. If your business had failed would you have blamed yourself for not trying or the government for somehow hindering you? I guess it's easy to judge when you're doing the judging.

Anyhow, I don't see for a second how the city offering housing to homeless people affects you.

I'm not sure that weight issues are the only health problems in this country.

Far from it.

But I recently heard a  "top ten list" for living longer

#1 - Buckle Up (Can you believe it's still an issue?)
#2 - Loose weight
#3 - Quit smoking (another, Can you believe...)

But it's beside the point. Even if we went to the extreme of a single payer system, individual understanding and responsibility for personal health would still be important. Ocean's contention that we need to collectively loose weight, exclude day tripping, obese Mexicans (and apparently the homeless), and limit medical practice liability applies (well, in principal, if not some of the ridiculous specifics) no matter how health care is financed, and is essentially beside the point as we try to figure out that financing. Addressing cost drivers is really a separate (but important) issue when talking about accessibility and universal coverage.

Ben

Ben