I could live without healthcare reform! How about you?

Ya'll just tired of thinking...come on now.

My dad was a hillbilly from North Carolinas Smokey Mountains and my mom was an Oakie from...literally Muskogee.
 I was born with certified white trash blood and raised on welfare, food stamps and unemployment checks so if anyone should be culturally ignorant , it should be me.
Having life experience with my own pale, lowly motivated and yet "entitled"  brethren I have a hard time getting worked up over a % or two of harder working pre-immigrants.

Besides, the cost of health care is driven up by largely by the worst "over-billing, overvaluing overcharging system insurance schemes driven" system ever devised.

I got hurt on a fishing boat in New Zealand and they treated me on the basis of my credentials as a human being....despite the fact that I was American.
The doctor asked me about "my system" in America. He was amazed at how money driven it was. I guess countries that don't subsidize a corrupt, chronic, over-valuing, over charging, over billing war making department have money to spend on their people.
Steve

Well my grandad was the only survivor of the Spanish socialists in the 1920's and my father in law was shooting Nazis at 15. Both came to the US not speaking a word of english. both worked their asses off and made a good living in this country.
both of them have instilled the values of hard work and education into all of their childern and grand childern. both instilled the fear of big goverment and socialism.
Ya it was tough working my way through college, but i wasnt looking for a free ride, ya sometime all i could afford to eat was rice, but i made it. Ya starting a bueinss was tough long hour but i made it for a little bit and got killed when Clinton took all the rules off of business so all the asset bubbles could happen.

Ys i was pissed but i went forward and woked hard and still made a living. Now my wife is enjoying the fruits of her education and hard work.

Oh and the reason why the wealth become so concentrated is because of Clinton. When he took all the rules off of business it allowed wall street to lie cheat and steal, which they did.

The really disgusting this is that Obama has not even attempeted to put the rules back on oil trading. Thats why oil is so expensive, hmmm when are you dems going to do someting thats good for the country?

If you guys really want to cut the cost of healthcare deal with the costs of healthcare.  OBESITY!!!! LACK OF EXERCISE!!!!!! TAKECARE OF YOUR BODY!!!!!

If you refuse to do the above dont send me the bill.

you have no idea what hard work is, hord work is not the boring sweat work that someoen does for eight hours a day picking fruit...hard work is the working 70 hours a week for 6 to 15 years to get a business established so one could become rich. Its the stress and night without sleep as you try to bring your product to market befroe the comptition kills you. Hard work is the stress of seeing the fine tuned machine that you spent 10 years building beiing destroyed by the unions.

Please don't tell me what I know or don't about hard work. Clearly you have a gripe, but don't assume that nobody else wants to succeed simply because they don't have their own business.

Most people don't have the privilege of having a base on which to start building their own business. Many people have to work 8 - 10 hours a day simply to stay afloat, and can't afford spending days and months toying with projects in their garage with the hopes that it will some day lead to a successful business.

Its very true not everyone can become rich, most people can not handle the workload and stress to get there.

Wrong. It's not that people are lazy or unable to handle stress. It's simply that the system isn't designed so that EVERYONE can get rich. Some people bust their ass as hard as the next guy, but simply don't get that lucky break.

And if you want to give or get a bunch of free stuff for those homeless who will never and have no desire to work as everythig is provided for free to them,

It's a stretch to say that homeless people are given EVERYTHING. Some, not all, are given only the bare necessities to survive. The homeless are not given cars, for example, or kayaks, or fishing gear. Some people are born into unfortunate situations and have to work all their lives just stay alive, and can't take days off to go fishing.

And did most homeless individuals not at one time or another have a job, which earned them a paycheck every two weeks? And if they had a job, did they not pay taxes? So maybe homeless people have at one time given to society and now deserve a little help to stay afloat. I have never been as desperate as the average homeless person, and therefore I cannot judge them.

I'm sure many homeless individuals would take a job if you offered them one.

LOL base to start with?? I quit my job at IMB at 24 and went to work for a distrubitor so i could start my won business. I worked for wage for eith hours a day then work on developing my business for another  four to six hours after work. It was only when i had the products devolped and sold to safeway and on the shelf selling did i qiut my job and work those twelve hours a day exclusivly on my business.

Mised a lot of parties, quite a few dates..but that is how 90% of the busienss are started.

And if you want to give or get a bunch of free stuff for those homeless who will never and have no desire to work as everythig is provided for free to them,

It's a stretch to say that homeless people are given EVERYTHING. Some, not all, are given only the bare necessities to survive. The homeless are not given cars, for example, or kayaks, or fishing gear. Some people are born into unfortunate situations and have to work all their lives just stay alive, and can't take days off to go fishing.

And did most homeless individuals not at one time or another have a job, which earned them a paycheck every two weeks? And if they had a job, did they not pay taxes? So maybe homeless people have at one time given to society and now deserve a little help to stay afloat. I have never been as desperate as the average homeless person, and therefore I cannot judge them.

I'm sure many homeless individuals would take a job if you offered them one.

well i just picked a PU load of pears for the homelsess shelter, becasue my bud who volunteers there asked me to, and its the same people. these people never worked have no intent of working they get everything they need, why should they.
I also picked a couple of loads of pears for the buddests at the buddest temple, now those are hardworking people that we could all take a lesson from.

And if you want to know how goverment fucks everything up, the homeless are walking into a hospital ER and getting free housing and huge expense.

Now if that isnt classic goverment fucking up i dont know what is.

LOL base to start with?? I quit my job at IMB at 24 and went to work for a distrubitor so i could start my won business. I worked for wage for eith hours a day then work on developing my business for another  four to six hours after work. It was only when i had the products devolped and sold to safeway and on the shelf selling did i qiut my job and work those twelve hours a day exclusivly on my business.

Mised a lot of parties, quite a few dates..but that is how 90% of the busienss are started.

Nobody is saying you didn't work hard. Clearly you have. But not everybody can do what you did, and not because they are lazy, but because the system doesn't allow everyone to succeed. You are one of the lucky few, and now you don't want to share with those less fortunate. Some might say that is typical dog-eat-dog American capitalist greed.

And if you want to know how goverment fucks everything up, the homeless are walking into a hospital ER and getting free housing and huge expense.

Now if that isnt classic goverment fucking up i dont know what is.

I don't believe that every homeless person is doing this. I bet it's a dog-eat-dog world for the homeless, too, in which only the lucky few get free housing or meals or emergency care.

And what if through some horrible misfortune you found yourself in the same predicament that the average homeless person is in? You would be thankful as all hell that the government is there to help - or would you suck it up and just work hard, not accepting any handouts?

LOL base to start with?? I quit my job at IMB at 24 and went to work for a distrubitor so i could start my won business. I worked for wage for eith hours a day then work on developing my business for another  four to six hours after work. It was only when i had the products devolped and sold to safeway and on the shelf selling did i qiut my job and work those twelve hours a day exclusivly on my business.

Mised a lot of parties, quite a few dates..but that is how 90% of the busienss are started.

Nobody is saying you didn't work hard. Clearly you have. But not everybody can do what you did, and not because they are lazy, but because the system doesn't allow everyone to succeed. You are one of the lucky few, and now you don't want to share with those less fortunate. Some might say that is typical dog-eat-dog American capitalist greed.

This is where you wrong. not eveyone succeeds at their attempt at business. But everyone has the oppunity to start a business and try. Its this freedom and desire to become rich, wether its money or having time to do what one wants wealth, that has made this country the greatest nation that has ever existed.
Everyday people are creating products filing patents, some will make them a living a few will make them rich.

Just look at all the business around you, someone started that business from scratch. It might have been 100 years ago or last year but it was the desire to become rich is why that business is there. And that business employees the people who would rather work for wage then take the risks of trying to become rich.

socialism and the high taxes that prevent someone from becoming rich is what is killing the Europe. Allowing someone to become rich is why almost all of the new products and tecnology are created in this country.

i made it for a little bit and got killed when Clinton took all the rules off of business so all the asset bubbles could happen.

Ys i was pissed but i went forward and woked hard and still made a living. Now my wife is enjoying the fruits of her education and hard work.

Oh and the reason why the wealth become so concentrated is because of Clinton.

You're almost funny, but not quite.

Are you saying Clinton put you out of business because of deregulation, or what? Regulating is usually considered a liberal "offense", so your rhetoric seems to want it both ways. And now Obama is "disgusting" because he's not ramping up regulations fast enough? What happened to the 8 years in between? Complete control of all three branches by "non-liberals" -- why didn't they put "business laws" back into place? The first time you mentioned your failure it was because of "affirmative action courts". Apparently everyone is responsible for your failure except you. And it seems you're passing on that characteristic.

While I've been self employed all my adult life, I find it offensive when you say people who work for a paycheck don't know what hard work is. If your business failed during the Clinton administration, what the heck have you been doing since then that qualifies you to look down your nose at people who actually work for a living? You're very quick to judge everyone else, I'd suggest you clean out your own garage first.

I'm not sure what all that has to do with health care anyway ...

i made it for a little bit and got killed when Clinton took all the rules off of business so all the asset bubbles could happen.

Ys i was pissed but i went forward and woked hard and still made a living. Now my wife is enjoying the fruits of her education and hard work.

Oh and the reason why the wealth become so concentrated is because of Clinton.

You're almost funny, but not quite.



Are you saying Clinton put you out of business because of deregulation, or what? Regulating is usually considered a liberal "offense", so your rhetoric seems to want it both ways. And now Obama is "disgusting" because he's not ramping up regulations fast enough? What happened to the 8 years in between? Complete control of all three branches by "non-liberals" -- why didn't they put "business laws" back into place? The first time you mentioned your failure it was because of "affirmative action courts". Apparently everyone is responsible for your failure except you. And it seems you're passing on that characteristic.

While I've been self employed all my adult life, I find it offensive when you say people who work for a paycheck don't know what hard work is. If your business failed during the Clinton administration, what the heck have you been doing since then that qualifies you to look down your nose at people who actually work for a living? You're very quick to judge everyone else, I'd suggest you clean out your own garage first.

I'm not sure what all that has to do with health care anyway ...

Deregualtion, what are you talking about? Clinton put all his people at the heads of all the Federal regualtory agencys and then told them not to enforce any business laws.
this lack of enforcement of the laws is what allowed toe dot com asset bubble to happen. Its what allowed Madoff to get away with his con game. In my business the anti trust laws where not enforced and the big boys bought up all the shelf space in all the supermakets in thier product catagory in the entire country throwing all the little guys off the shelf and out of business.
Frito Lay bvought up 100% of all the shelf space for salty snack foods in the entire united states in the mid 90's destroying me and 100 other small and medium sized manufactors of potato chips tortoilla chips and so on. Remmember Granny Goose potato chips? they where one of the causalities. i personality went to Clintons people begging them to enfore the anti trust laws, they told me to drop dead the only thing Clinton cares about is his image in TV. There was lots of busienssmen waiting for their turn to beg for the laws to be enforced.

all i can say is its easy to cuts healthcare cost in half but the liberals are all about big government and big brother.

Would that be big brother in the sense of The Patriot Act, or unlawful wire tapping, Or initiating the banker bailout, or lying to the country to get bogged down in a war in Mesopotamia and sacrificing 4000+ brave American troops and over 100000 innocent Iraqis just to win an election, Or creating caged in Free Sp each zones at your parties rallies. Ocean please, you're arguments are pathetic, divisive, insulting and boarder line racist. Please tell me the name of you're company so i can add your products to my personal sanctions list.

PS your insinuation that the homeless are lazy and want to be that way gives the rest of us great insight to your intellect.

Deregualtion, what are you talking about? Clinton put all his people at the heads of all the Federal regualtory agencys and then told them not to enforce any business laws.

This is just silly. What about Bush? He had 8 years to change whatever it is you're talking about. Now you want to claim Obama is continuing what you imagine. How is it that laws aren't enforced, as you put it, and no one brings it to court? All excuses as far as I can tell.

                             
                             So, there are three of those pesky amendments that the far left hate so much out the original ten in the Bill of Rights that are effectively nullified by this law.

Love it when people keep it non partizan. really helps the discussion. Where do you come up with anything to support this lie.( the lie im referring to here is that the far left hates those amendments). seems the author is ignorant of the meaning of far left. Typical propoganda tatics of villifying the other side, wether its true or not. When you read BS like this, a warning flag should go off in your head.

While Im not sure of the exact ins and outs of this plan, reform is needed. Our system is the laughing stock of the devloped world.

 I could live without healthcare reform! How about you?.......No i cant. Ever tried getting coverage with a preexisting condition that you picked up abroad in your youth, like say an arm and a leg mauled by a great white? There are a bunch of us left out in the cold under the current system.