Tournaments and Trolling Motors

Is that cool or??? Kinda raw about this.

Why are you raw about this?  Walk a few days in the shoes of a tournament director (volunteer tournament director in most cases) and you'll find that you'll cater to yourself and the masses, not to the exceptions.  It's nothing personal.  It's just the way it is.  You want it someway else.  Well, walk a few months in the shoes of a volunteer tournament director and run your own tournament. 

-Allen

Is that cool or??? Kinda raw about this.

Why are you raw about this?  Walk a few days in the shoes of a tournament director (volunteer tournament director in most cases) and you'll find that you'll cater to yourself and the masses, not to the exceptions.  It's nothing personal.  It's just the way it is.  You want it someway else.  Well, walk a few months in the shoes of a volunteer tournament director and run your own tournament. 

-Allen

I understand raw as in, "he should be able to play too" commas and grammatical errors can put your words out there in a negative way. I'm kind of raw about this subject. Might have put it across better.
Welcome to the group Ghostpointbob!!! You ready to fish rollins!? You could ask the tourney director if he could participate. Get him out to the heroes on the water events too!!!

Is that cool or??? Kinda raw about this.

Why are you raw about this?  Walk a few days in the shoes of a tournament director (volunteer tournament director in most cases) and you'll find that you'll cater to yourself and the masses, not to the exceptions.  It's nothing personal.  It's just the way it is.  You want it someway else.  Well, walk a few months in the shoes of a volunteer tournament director and run your own tournament. 

-Allen

I understand raw as in, "he should be able to play too" commas and grammatical errors can put your words out there in a negative way. I'm kind of raw about this subject. Might have put it across better.
Welcome to the group Ghostpointbob!!! You ready to fish rollins!? You could ask the tourney director if he could participate. Get him out to the heroes on the water events too!!!

I read it as you did.  I just think our tournament directors don't get enough support, and take a lot of shit.  And a lot of people have no idea what they really go through.  It ain't easy.  Why would one want to make it even harder on them?

-Allen

Ya, never hurts to pm a question though... (as long as you are willing to accept "No")

He and I would like to at least check out the Rollins gathering. Sorry about grammer,syntax etc. Not ,my area of expertise. If a tournament director feels it's to much work to accommodate the disabled maybe they should seek help. I'm disabled as well and would work with any overworked directors in any way I could to help broaden the sport and bring more folks to thier tournament.The way I see life Inclusive always beats exclusive. I guess I got my answer

He and I would like to at least check out the Rollins gathering. Sorry about grammer,syntax etc. Not ,my area of expertise. If a tournament director feels it's to much work to accommodate the disabled maybe they should seek help. I'm disabled as well and would work with any overworked directors in any way I could to help broaden the sport and bring more folks to thier tournament. Inclusive always beats exclusive,for nice people

You're assuming the goal is to broaden the sport and bring more folks in.  That's not always the case.

It's not a matter of being inclusive vs. exclusive, at least not in the context you are using those terms.  95% of fishermen don't fish off of kayaks.  They are all excluded from kayak fishing tournaments.  The line is drawn somewhere.  You just happen to think it is off a little bit.

But all that is somewhat immaterial when it comes to NCKA style events.  Sign up and support the event.  Attend and fish however you'd like.  If you fish with a motor, more power to you, just don't sweat the prizes as you won't be eligible.  Enter the raffle, you will be eligible for those prizes.

The best part is just hanging with this group for a weekend.  First beer on me.

-Allen

Not drinkers, message recieved,steps down off soapbox,tight lines.humorous edit: the ad next to the top of the thread is for a old town MinnKota....that's pretty funny right there.

Take a look at the yak a bass events. They post them here but are more of a presence on Facebook,but they do allow for electric motors in their tournaments. Hell simply fishing even excludes pedal drives and the guys with bad shoulders don't like it. Some still show up and fish to have a great time and hang out just not compete. You could always do that at any event.

The best suggestion I've seen here so far is:  If you want a tourney that includes motors, start a tourney that is open to motorized kayaks. No one is stopping you or anyone else. But what will you do when the skiff fishermen with a 15hp outboard wants in?  And then the Grady-White dude....

Most (or all) guys organizing tourneys so far have said "No" to sails and motors.  Principle of competition is getting there (and back in time) under one's own power with a winning fish. A level playing field so to speak.

Pedals are usually allowed. I have sponsored a number of kayak fishing derbies and contests through the years.

Polepole's right. Most our derbies are way more about camaraderie than getting a trophy. One of the best fishermen I know on this board uses a motorized yak.  We revere him no less for it. But he'd have to pull the plug to get into our local contests.

Bushy

The best suggestion I've seen here so far is:  If you want a tourney that includes motors, start a tourney that is open to motorized kayaks. No one is stopping you or anyone else. But what will you do when the skiff fishermen with a 15hp outboard wants in?  And then the Grady-White dude....

Most (or all) guys organizing tourneys so far have said "No" to sails and motors.  Principle of competition is getting there (and back in time) under one's own power with a winning fish. A level playing field so to speak.

Pedals are usually allowed. I have sponsored a number of kayak fishing derbies and contests through the years.

Polepole's right. Most our derbies are way more about camaraderie than getting a trophy. One of the best fishermen I know on this board uses a motorized yak.  We revere him no less for it. But he'd have to pull the plug to get into our local contests.

Bushy

Wait,
I don't even own a power yak 
;0)

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The best suggestion I've seen here so far is:  If you want a tourney that includes motors, start a tourney that is open to motorized kayaks. No one is stopping you or anyone else. But what will you do when the skiff fishermen with a 15hp outboard wants in?  And then the Grady-White dude....

Most (or all) guys organizing tourneys so far have said "No" to sails and motors.  Principle of competition is getting there (and back in time) under one's own power with a winning fish. A level playing field so to speak.

Pedals are usually allowed. I have sponsored a number of kayak fishing derbies and contests through the years.

Polepole's right. Most our derbies are way more about camaraderie than getting a trophy. One of the best fishermen I know on this board uses a motorized yak.  We revere him no less for it. But he'd have to pull the plug to get into our local contests.

Bushy

Wait,
I don't even own a power yak 
;0)

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Good one! 

The best suggestion I've seen here so far is:  If you want a tourney that includes motors, start a tourney that is open to motorized kayaks. No one is stopping you or anyone else. But what will you do when the skiff fishermen with a 15hp outboard wants in?  And then the Grady-White dude....

Most (or all) guys organizing tourneys so far have said "No" to sails and motors.  Principle of competition is getting there (and back in time) under one's own power with a winning fish. A level playing field so to speak.

Pedals are usually allowed. I have sponsored a number of kayak fishing derbies and contests through the years.

Polepole's right. Most our derbies are way more about camaraderie than getting a trophy. One of the best fishermen I know on this board uses a motorized yak.  We revere him no less for it. But he'd have to pull the plug to get into our local contests.

Bushy

Wait,
I don't even own a power yak 
;0)

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Good one! 

+1

Seems that a thoughtful person/director could develop a set of disabled rules. My brother is a disabled veteran with stamina issues. He has a Power yak,he isn't allowed to compete in the biggest tournament at a place where he's fished over 30 years. He is self sufficient ,could self rescue no problems,probably has more saltwater experience than the vast majority of the participants. But "sorry,thanks for your service but you can't play" , why not just ask for Proof? Why exclude a portion of the community? If speed is an issue impose a
Iimit,if range is an issue,impose a limit. If it's just for fun and prizes are "token" then why the Exclusion? If you can prove a disability that's not taking advantage. Seems wrong my brother got sprayed with agent orange protecting this country and the effects let him be further screwed by purists who think their way is the only proper way. I hope as others here have said minds can be opened to allow all to join the contest.

Maybe I woke up on the wrong side of bed today.....BUT.......

WTF?

Fuck a victim mentality!  Let your 'brother' speak for himself!  Post #2 and immediately trying to lay a guilt trip.  Dude get real.  Or go fishing.  Or something. You do not have to  be a victim.  Even a Munchausen by Proxy victim!

"he isn't allowed to compete in the biggest tournament at a place where he's fished over 30 years"

Yes he IS.  Just not in a motorized craft!  Sheesh!

Just about every one of us is damaged goods somehow, yet we somehow persevere. (Except maybe Polepole, who is just about perfect in every way.)

As I write this one of our favorites is laying in a hospital fighting for her life, and we as a COMMUNITY have mustered resources financial, emotional and spiritual to fight with her for her, beside her and her family. We have done this over and over and over again.  WE.  Don't you DARE accuse NCKA of being exclusionary!!

"Seems wrong my brother got sprayed with agent orange protecting this country and the effects let him be further screwed by purists who think their way is the only proper way"

WHAT!!???  The entire Vietnam war was about one guy eventually not being "allowed" to participate in a kayak fishing contest?"

"Screwed by Purists!!!???  Are you F'ing KIDDING me??!!!

" He is self sufficient ,could self rescue no problems,probably has more saltwater experience than the vast majority of the participants"

If all that is true, then he sounds like quite the MAN, and would probably be embarrassed to see you whining.  I know I am. Let your brother (if he exists) speak for himself.  If he can paddle at all, or pedal at all, come on, join in.  Get him on the board, or tell him Bushy says: Paddle out 1/4 mile, fish. Come back in.  I might even hang with you to make sure you make it brother (if you exist).

Commodore Oliver Hazzard Bouché 

Maybe I woke up on the wrong side of bed today.....BUT.......

Commodore Oliver Hazzard Bouché
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MEOW !!!

Point taken Commodore ! 

Yeah!   Like that!!

Bushy

ps hows striper action down there?