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Topic: Baitless barbless non fly tips?  (Read 2374 times)

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CaddyChris

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Went to an area today that is baitless, single barbless, no scent, and not being a fly guy, I was stumped. I had nothing to throw out but a cheese spoon that I pinched the barb on. What do you non fly guys use? I'd like to hit some other rivers with these restrictions in the future. Any help appreciated.
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I've used spinners (like rooster tails, kastmasters, Blue Wolf, etc.) with ground off barb down near Arroyo Seco where the same type of restrictions apply.


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I was thinking I could run a single barbless on a spinner. I'm worried that it'll be unbalanced? Can't even use a mouse tail if it's scented. I want to learn fly, but the learning curve is intimidating.
« Last Edit: January 21, 2016, 03:35:57 PM by CaddyChris »
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I haven't done it yet, but plan to replace the trebles on some trout lures with single hooks. Check the article on the main page:
http://www.norcalkayakanglers.com/index.php?page=32

I'm sure it's fine with Kastmasters and spoons and such, but I think I read that smaller Mepps and Panther Martins, etc. might be a problem with line twisting with a single?

snap-swivel  :smt002


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I haven't done it yet, but plan to replace the trebles on some trout lures with single hooks. Check the article on the main page:
http://www.norcalkayakanglers.com/index.php?page=32

I'm sure it's fine with Kastmasters and spoons and such, but I think I read that smaller Mepps and Panther Martins, etc. might be a problem with line twisting with a single?

snap-swivel  :smt002
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Or a barrel swivel with a leader?  Anyone have setups you can post that work? Like a castable wedding ring or something?
« Last Edit: January 21, 2016, 03:21:49 PM by CaddyChris »
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What I've done with super lite lures like a wedding ring setup is use a small, clear water-bobber to gain the weight, but still float.  The water adds a little casting weight, still floats or neutral boyant & allows for good drifts with river flow.


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The learning curve really isn't that steep for flyfishing.  I rarely do much more than a roll cast or chuck n duck.  I'm new to the kayak scene and feel that there is much more to learn regarding the kayak than flyfishing.

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All of the coastal watersheds down here require barbless artificials. At least, for the last 10yrs or so. I like using spoons, spinners, and flies. Most spinners will perform fine with single hooks. Sometimes the problem is physically attaching a new hook though...like Roostertails, because the factory treble is attached directly to the wire body. In this case, I use a single siwash hook w/open eye then crimp it on there. Spoons are generally easier to swap out hooks; crocodiles even come with a single siwash to swap out. Castmasters & Lil Cleos are productive too. Then there's the option to use an actual fly on spinning gear...just attach some weight 18-24" above, depending on the action you want to impart (I prefer small splitshots because you can easily adjust weight as you move up & down the river).    Make sure you crimp the heck outta that bard though! Because it's one of those regulations that is left to the discretion of the warden...some will actually check for remaining barbs with a Q-tip, while others will simply check to make sure you made an effort to crimp barbs [following the spirit of the law].
I would advise against the wedding ring option for that particular stretch of water due to river size & clarity...aka less might be better there. Maybe it'd work, but I would save that experiment for a larger, murkier river.
Oh, I almost for got to mention small plastic grubs and maribou jigs (like for crappie). Those can be fished a variety of ways in different types of water. 
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Just make sure they aren't Gulp scented grubs or something of that nature.  Some of the waterways Pat speaks of are CPR only anyways.  There are some BEAST trout down there too  :smt007


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All of the coastal watersheds down here require barbless artificials. At least, for the last 10yrs or so. I like using spoons, spinners, and flies. Most spinners will perform fine with single hooks. Sometimes the problem is physically attaching a new hook though...like Roostertails, because the factory treble is attached directly to the wire body. In this case, I use a single siwash hook w/open eye then crimp it on there. Spoons are generally easier to swap out hooks; crocodiles even come with a single siwash to swap out. Castmasters & Lil Cleos are productive too. Then there's the option to use an actual fly on spinning gear...just attach some weight 18-24" above, depending on the action you want to impart (I prefer small splitshots because you can easily adjust weight as you move up & down the river).    Make sure you crimp the heck outta that bard though! Because it's one of those regulations that is left to the discretion of the warden...some will actually check for remaining barbs with a Q-tip, while others will simply check to make sure you made an effort to crimp barbs [following the spirit of the law].
I would advise against the wedding ring option for that particular stretch of water due to river size & clarity...aka less might be better there. Maybe it'd work, but I would save that experiment for a larger, murkier river.
Oh, I almost for got to mention small plastic grubs and maribou jigs (like for crappie). Those can be fished a variety of ways in different types of water. 
I've been tempted to do the fly on a spinner thing, but haven't done it yet. Pinching the barb is iffy. Like you guys said, if a warden has a hair up his butt, you could be in trouble. I will drag the line across it to see if it snags, but that might not be enough. I am trying to get into fly, but haven't committed yet.
I went on a fishing trip last year where EVERYONE on the trip was drifting worms. Ok, cool! I can totally catch fish! Turns out that it's the EAST WALKER! No one told me, but I was poaching! I didn't know... ignorance is no excuse!
 Being a conventional guy, I want to know how to get fish. I want to get into fly, but until then I want to fish these areas using what I have.

« Last Edit: January 21, 2016, 04:41:40 PM by CaddyChris »
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I've had great luck trout fishing with a clear casting bobber (either water filled or not) and a fly.

I have also had good luck by removing the hooks from a small floating Rapala, then tying a 2 or 3 foot leader from where the trailing hook would be to a fly. The wobbling Rapala has a way of attracting fish, then they see the fly.


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Just grab a fly rod and start flicking flies. It's easier than it looks. Just be sure to watch your cast. You are gonna catch more stuff behind you than in front of you in the beginning. Pick up a cheap 3-4 wt rod and matching reel. Do not spend much money on the reel. Fly fishing is all about the rod when you start. Once you get the hang of the cast then spend the money on a nicer reel. There are several cheaper rod reel combos out there. I still fish an 8 piece 3-4 that I picked up for 40 bucks as a backpacking combo. It's clunky because it's 8 pieces but it still serves me well and casts great. Start with a weight forward (wf) floating line. I prefer the welded loops. They make attaching leader easier. Hit me PM if you want to talk about flies.
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Ohh... that sounds good! What size rapalla? Do you put singles on it too?
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Any fly I use fly fishing I use with spinning gear also and have had good luck, two of the best are rubber legged bug and yarn eggs.

Float adds the weight, if you want fly to sink, small split shot either two or three, larger split shot close to the float, smaller as you go deeper, adjust depending on how far down you want fly or if wet fly. I play with it a little trying to get correct action and speed on fly, want it to be a little slower then current.

First steelhead I caught was using above technique, I cast above the riffle, leave the bail open and let the current take it down stream as far as I can see. Many times the fish will hit on the retrieve. Many steelhead fisherman will run two flies, I do that a lot also. Same idea as drift boat fisherman, they just use a fly rod instead of spinning gear. Indicator, a couple small weights and the fly or flies.

Same set up in my kayak, I adjust weight and try to get float moving same speed or slower then kayak.

1/8 or 1/4 oz kastmaster with single hook also works.


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You guys rock! Thanks so much! I'm gonna try some flys with split shot, and converting some of my lures to single barbless. I am also going to bite the bullet and buy a fly rig. You never stop learning, right? Thinking a 5wt to start? I've fished with ScottV and he kills it! Until then though, I have to  do what I can with what I have. Is it just me, or are trout guys the minority on this site?
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