Got Wacked, updated 1st post

if you phrased it..."Hobie plastics and solid construction saved my life"...the Co. just might hook a brother up...or give a deal



So Craig are you fishing the Slam Down next year. I could tell you were concerned, about Leff and San Simeon with the sea Elephants so close. We had a lot of bait out that day. Maybe Ryan will change the week closer to mid September. Either Way I'm fishing the Slam Down.

 

From what I see, at least 2 of the three were Hobies. Maybe the bottoms should be black to mask visibility of the flippers. I do realize sharks sense movement.

I have talked with Ryan about Shark Shield, a couple times. His take is the shark charges so fast, the the shield won't work. But in this case it might not have come back, or the pushing of the yak may not have happened. I sure wish there was a way to prove them for sure. I didn't use it during Slam Down111 even though it was on the yak. 

Here are some numbers.

http://www.kayakfishmag.com/features/paddle-vs-pedal-matter-great-white/

There are 2 numbers missing, the number of paddle and pedal kayaks sold in California. Then we can truly compare which type of kayak gets hit more often as a percentage of their total number.

I have talked with Ryan about Shark Shield, a couple times. His take is the shark charges so fast, the the shield won't work. But in this case it might not have come back, or the pushing of the yak may not have happened. I sure wish there was a way to prove them for sure. I didn't use it during Slam Down111 even though it was on the yak.

What'd happened if you got hit, fell out of the kayak and accidentally got contact with the shark shield?  Will you got shock from it? 

What'd happened if you got hit, fell out of the kayak and accidentally got contact with the shark shield?  Will you got shock from it? 
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    No,   It's a low voltage current...  To a shark, it's like us putting your tongue on a 9v battery.

From what I see, at least 2 of the three were Hobies. Maybe the bottoms should be black to mask visibility of the flippers. I do realize sharks sense movement.

I have talked with Ryan about Shark Shield, a couple times. His take is the shark charges so fast, the the shield won't work. But in this case it might not have come back, or the pushing of the yak may not have happened. I sure wish there was a way to prove them for sure. I didn't use it during Slam Down111 even though it was on the yak.

Talking with the guys that test it, for a aggressive attack from a large animal like this one wouldn't even notice it.
They pretty much said your bettet off when with sharks like tigerz that have a different attack style not a full breach.

The Hobie vs not hobie I can tell you it is by far the number 1 selling kayak in California. Just based on numbers of them over 1/3 at the slam down were Hobie so give you a little idea.

Been watching this post and the info develop.  Man that sounds crazy!  Glad your OK and that no one was hurt.

As for it being a Hobie-thing, I think someone above nailed it spot on.  Kayak fishing, aka fish thrashing blood present in the water is going to draw sharks, period.  Hobie being most prevalent from a kayak fishing perspective means more Hobie attacks IMO.  Nothing to do with them being just the common factors, large floating object, thrashing fish, blood in the water.

Oh Yeah...for sure
just meeting you and camping with Frank near by and the guys coming to light a fire and talk shit,was enough to go to every slam down down from here out....
yes I was concerned
 but I always am since seeing my GWS 5 feet away following me
meeting you and meeting folks that was awesome stuff...
Big sur is creepy...but really... anywhere in the blue is the same odds...nothing more creepy than right here in monterey bay for me....even with paddle boarders and boats around I'm all eyes...I KNOW whats here...mine was right by the  most busy boats and public area

I am buying a shark shield just because! why not...just money..cheaper than a kayak or a carbon fiber arm...---and have began research and pricing now...any links you might have would be great,....

As far as this thread--I  am just glad our brother is safe and not too mental F'd up...I am loose wrapped and my sighted had a bit of twist on my mind...

starting to think fishing alone may not be smart and fishing october and around oct...means game plan and kelp work....

so in short---see you there...



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if you phrased it..."Hobie plastics and solid construction saved my life"...the Co. just might hook a brother up...or give a deal



So Craig are you fishing the Slam Down next year. I could tell you were concerned, about Leff and San Simeon with the sea Elephants so close. We had a lot of bait out that day. Maybe Ryan will change the week closer to mid September. Either Way I'm fishing the Slam Down.

Here are some numbers.

http://www.kayakfishmag.com/features/paddle-vs-pedal-matter-great-white/

There are 2 numbers missing, the number of paddle and pedal kayaks sold in California. Then we can truly compare which type of kayak gets hit more often as a percentage of their total number.

Unfortunately until the manufacturers release that kind of closely guarded information, we're at the mercy of on the water observation. I could drive down to La Jolla Shores and tally every launch on a busy Saturday, but it wouldn't say much about use across the state, particularly in northern waters where there are more of these incidents.

Completely subjectively, on a typical day Hobies outnumber paddle kayaks by at least 3 to 1 at La Jolla. In a Facebook post Jason Self put the number about the same up in Trinidad, 3 Hobies for every one paddle kayak, but he was talking about anglers (I think).

Scroll down for that great white shark attack on kayaks in California listing I compiled. I attached it so you can all download it if you like. I compiled this data because I wanted to know how many kayaks of each propulsion type have been hit. And because there've now been enough that I was starting to lose track. I invite you guys to take the data apart, all of it, not just the paddle vs. pedal question. Any statisticians here?

I'm also looking to fill in a couple blanks on the spreadsheet and for additional information such as water clarity, whether anglers had fish on board (personally I don't think it matters), if they were using sonar at the time, etc. 

Here's the most pertinent part of my story for Kayak Fish Magazine:

Paddle vs. Pedal

Check out the chart beginning with the tragic case of Tamara McAllister and Roy J. Stoddard, who were presumably killed by a great white strike off of Malibu’s Paradise Cove in 1989. We could tally paddle versus pedal statistics from there (it’s 12 paddle, 5 pedal if you must know), but it wouldn’t make any sense. Hobie’s Mirage Drive wasn’t introduced until 1997. Another decade passed before a great white shark hit one of the company’s kayaks. Let’s start there.

Back to Dan Prather, whose red Adventure was the first Hobie attacked. The next two kayakers to feel the heat (both in 2008) were paddlers, recreationalist Bettina Pereira at Catalina and sea kayaker Tony Johnson off Tomales Head.

2009 was a quiet year, but August 2010 was tough. Adam Coca was hit hard at Bean Hollow, and a great white mouthed the bow of Duane Strosaker’s sea kayak offshore of Gaviota (yes, his legs were inside the shark’s mouth, inside his boat), a couple of particularly harrowing incidents. Both paddlers. If you’re keeping score at home, that’s one pedal kayak and four paddle kayaks since 2007.

From there, it’s neck and neck between the two propulsion types. Harry Pali was pedaling off Pigeon Point when his kayak was hit in 2011. Joey Nocchi was paddling off Leffingwell Landing the next year. Mel Camu was pedaling; Micah Flansburg and an as yet unidentified man related to a kayak angler known only by the handle FlyYaker both paddled. That takes us up to the Vandenberg duo, who both pedaled.

If you kept up, you already know the score since 2007 stands at 7 paddle, 5 pedal – all of the flipper variety. Prop-style pedal drives are relatively rare on western saltwater. None have been hit by a great white. Counting anglers only, the numbers swing to 5 pedal, 4 paddle. Inconclusive? From here it looks like what you drive isn’t the determining factor.

The whole thing: http://www.kayakfishmag.com/features/paddle-vs-pedal-matter-great-white/

I'm an amateur at statistics, but I think that n=12 is too small of a sample size to draw any conclusions one way or another.

I'm an amateur at statistics, but I think that n=12 is too small of a sample size to draw any conclusions one way or another.

Agree completely but as of today, there is not enough data even available to work with and hopefully never is.

I mean 20 attacks in close to 25 years, at the current rate in maybe another 10 years we will get another 20 attacks on kayakers.

Paul put together some good numbers on what we have currently have for stats.

Lets keep these numbers where there at and low fatality rate keep your legs and arms inside the ride at all times.

Each day, there are hundreds of people paddling rental kayaks inside Monterey Bay. Those people should be taken into account too.

My Hobie got singled out.  2 paddle kayaks were left alone.  I was slowly pedaling when I got hit.

Glad your okay Ryan. 

Just a thought here and somebody might have brought this up in another thread, but what about the possibility of the Mirage drive producing a sound that sounds or mimics a seal or sea lion.  Just a thought!

Each day, there are hundreds of people paddling rental kayaks inside Monterey Bay. Those people should be taken into account too.

None of those rentals are Hobie's though