Shafted Striper Counts

Want some interesting reading?   http://www.fgc.ca.gov/regulations/2003/27_60fsor.pdf

I don't know when the spearfishing and shore based exemptions were enacted, but the above is from late 2003 when the proposal to allow exemptions was DENIED.

Currently, shore-based divers and anglers take a significant
proportion of the recreational catch of shallow nearshore
rockfish, cabezon and greenlings north of Point Conception. On
average, during March and April (the proposed closed period for
the Central Rockfish Lingcod Management area or RLMA) from
1996 through 1999 (recent years with no closures), shore-based
divers and anglers north of Point Conception took 8 percent of
the shallow nearshore rockfish, 73 percent of the cabezon, and
89 percent of the greenlings. Of the species affected by the
proposed closure, only cabezon showed up in significant
numbers in the catch of shore-based divers and anglers south
 
-2- f Point Conception. From 1996 through 1999, on average,
shore-based divers and anglers accounted for 6 percent of the
total recreational catch of cabezon in the Southern RLMA during
the proposed closed period (January and February).
o Divers using spear gear do take a portion of the recreational
allowance for nearshore species. From 1998 through 2002,
north of Point Conception, spear gear (for all fishing modes, not
just shore modes) accounted for 5 percent of the recreational
take of cabezon and 5 percent of the recreational take of
greenlings. From 1998 through 2002, south of Point
Conception, spear gear (for all fishing modes, not just shore
modes) accounted for 8 percent of the recreational take of
cabezon and 16 percent of the recreational take of California
sheephead.

-Allen

Good read, skim read and somewhat interesting from the skim read...pressed for time now but you know what I am not complaining with the allowances being what they are today. I am not going to rock any yaks spero's or shore anglers over this this. Your issues friend, how to get what you want, H&L for the yaks folks and not tip over the yaks divers and shore users with the allowance they enjoy. Food for thought. 

Your issues friend, how to get what you want, H&L for the yaks folks and not tip over the yaks divers and shore users with the allowance they enjoy. Food for thought.

Well, that was/is part of the concern when I said.

I've stated it many times in the past that I am against kayak specific regulations.  My thinking was that I'd rather not introduce issue that may be divisive to the overall fishing community.  I thought this striper issue was going to prove that out, but you know what, it didn't ... other than the initial knee jerk reaction (including my own), no one really cared. I haven't really heard a peep about this issue since way back when it first was enacted.

So now I'm rethinking my stance on kayak specific regulations.  I'm not all the way there yet, but I'm far enough that I'll come out of the closet.   

But really, would it tip over divers and shore users, or would it tip over boat based anglers?

I dunno.  Let's say we did account for 3% of the catch.  The simplistic view of the world would suggest 4 more months results in 50% increase in catch (8 months going to 12 months).  That's only 1.5% of the catch.  Take a whole 1/2 a week off the regular season to account for that.  See ... it's in the noise really.

BTW, does anyone really care about kayak specific regulations?  Other than Bill, no one has commented.   

-Allen

Mostly ive been watching red abalone argue with himself.  I like an off season, but i think it should be coastwide instead of zone specific.  It seems to me that areas with less pressure have shorter seasons, which is pretty counter intuitive.  Like why does north coast only have 4 months open for boats and Monterey has 7 months open???

Other than that, i am hard pressed to care less about spearos impact... Not enough people do it to matter to the fish populations (except near bigjim )

2c
There you go Polepole, one more commenter.

http://www.fgc.ca.gov/regulations/2004/1_91groundfishfsor.pdf

The Pacific Fishery Management Council (PFMC) has
recognized the following modes of recreational fishing, which have
been included in federal regulations for 2005: shore-based angling,
private boat angling, diving/spearfishing, and charter boat. The
basis for these categories originates from the federal Marine
Recreational Fisheries Statistics Survey (MRFSS). The survey
database allows for estimates of recreational take from each of
these modes, allowing the catch from each mode to be tracked
against harvest limits, and in some cases, allows for differing bag
and season regulations by mode.

What this says is that the department has stats on shore-based divers and diving/spearfishing.  They likely don't have stats on human powered watercraft fishing and therefore makes it difficult to manage for that mode.

-Allen

I like an off season, but i think it should be coastwide instead of zone specific.  It seems to me that areas with less pressure have shorter seasons, which is pretty counter intuitive.  Like why does north coast only have 4 months open for boats and Monterey has 7 months open???

I think that has more to do with impacts on endangered species (yelloweye!).

-Allen

Your issues friend, how to get what you want, H&L for the yaks folks and not tip over the yaks divers and shore users with the allowance they enjoy. Food for thought.

Well, that was/is part of the concern when I said.

I've stated it many times in the past that I am against kayak specific regulations.  My thinking was that I'd rather not introduce issue that may be divisive to the overall fishing community.  I thought this striper issue was going to prove that out, but you know what, it didn't ... other than the initial knee jerk reaction (including my own), no one really cared. I haven't really heard a peep about this issue since way back when it first was enacted.

So now I'm rethinking my stance on kayak specific regulations.  I'm not all the way there yet, but I'm far enough that I'll come out of the closet.   

But really, would it tip over divers and shore users, or would it tip over boat based anglers?

I dunno.  Let's say we did account for 3% of the catch.  The simplistic view of the world would suggest 4 more months results in 50% increase in catch (8 months going to 12 months).  That's only 1.5% of the catch.  Take a whole 1/2 a week off the regular season to account for that.  See ... it's in the noise really.

BTW, does anyone really care about kayak specific regulations?  Other than Bill, no one has commented.   

-Allen

Yes Allen other than Bill, and I do have full access to my dads Yak's, a ocean pro scupper and a wilderness   which I only use for river running does anyone else care about Yak regs ?  Allen - do you ever ponder why in the world are you bothering with it at all. I do.

Na Allen go for it! But right, suggest cutting the boating season - yes the gel coat Armada at a minimum of 2000 pounds per boat will order "helm" come full left rudder to 180, ahead full speed, all hand s brace for impact !

Yes Allen, divers be them a shore or yak diver do love our afforded year round access. Will asking for new allowances for the kayak angler endanger the current afforded access..........might suggest testing the waters so to speak. I can point you to whom you might want to begin with if you are so inclined. Pm me.
Marry Christmas   

Mostly ive been watching red abalone argue with himself. 

I love it !!!

Allen - do you ever ponder why in the world are you bothering with it at all. I do.

I just enjoy the mental exercise.

Do you wonder why I do, or do you wonder why YOU bother with it all?   Or both! 

-Allen

Allen - do you ever ponder why in the world are you bothering with it at all. I do.

I just enjoy the mental exercise.

Do you wonder why I do, or do you wonder why YOU bother with it all?   Or both! 

-Allen

see my last post above............love arguing with myself.

Mostly ive been watching red abalone argue with himself. 

I love it !!!

Never watched this guy HILARIOUS!!
Thanks

Glad you enjoyed "Walter" there Rockfish. I also recommend Jeff's "Spark of Insanity" clips and shows as well. And if you have not seen Durhams Christmas Special yet, I promise you will have tears from laughing so hard.
Did go to one of Durhams shows, well worth the ticket price to see a show in person !

Well after running this post and the same on spearboard it looks as if the year (season) is going to end with very little response. One diver from spearboard did cop to have shot two SB in the ocean this year, another reported what I suspect was an AR run for three trip occurrences between 3 guys or four guys for a total of 4 SB speared. We had a hail-marry report of an attempt to shoot a SB down Monterey way. I coped to a kill on a central valley river and knew of two others whom took a SB each. So if the DFW can extrapolate, and we all know that that means-guess well then so can I. Our impact, the spearfishing effort and success may of been .25 to .33 Striped Bass per rod. Oh what fun