Tournament Buddy Check

It seems with all the tourneys going on now and the prizes are much bigger, it seems like we might need something such as a buddy check before launching your kayak during a tournament. Someone that when you bring your winning fish to the weigh in will verify that when you launched there are no fish in the hatches and official gear was used. It is hard to believe that someone could cheat during these tourneys but with large dollars floating around and making a fair event it would be something that is very easy to use. When you are launching just make sure you are checked by a friend or someone else launching at the same time. I think this would help remove doubts that come from certain situations. Just a thought feel free to chime in on this

If a person was found to cheat at my event, that person would be banished from all future events and possibly burned at the stake. I also hope this will never be an issue

See Ya Soon,
Eric / Yakhopper

+1

I think this would help remove doubts that come from certain situations.

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This does come up regularly in Bass fishing (powerboat) all live wells are checked... Wrist bands and Eric's chit in photo security and photo then release, seems to keep weird things from going on. As more outsiders join us in our events (to win a kayak by ANY means) it could be an issue Fish caught during prefishing staked out on the lake to be picked up for the win... All this does happen out there but OMG if you got caught doing it in NCKA, you would loose so much... I would have no problem with pre-launch checks as long as the checker was NOT ALSO FISHING (secret lures ect...) People I hope this never happens in our family, but...

 There goes my plan out the window for the next NCKA tournament thanks Jim for keeping us  honest.

Ok I'm going there...

Jim, I understand from this post and your previous post regrading the RTM tourney that trust may be an issue regarding your fellow anglers. Could someone cheat and maybe win, yes maybe, but I don't think about that.
Here is a couple of your posts regarding the RTM event.

I believe in the future this event that all should paddle out of Ocean Cove, it has enough space to handle everyone launching and landing in the same spot and it makes for a much fairer competition I my mind. Oh well whatever you do keep it going and will be back for sure.
Later
Jimbo

Seems kinda difficult to accept this since it is so restrictive to fish here without staying in a house. My feeling is all must launch and fish in the general area otherwise it is not a fair playing field. Sea Ranch is 30 miles north from the tourney and quite difficult to get access to. Oh well I had fun with all that stayed at the campground. I caught a huge red at 21 on Friday that would have been in the running for biggest rockfish. Hopefully next year they remove the ability to fish out of Sea Ranch or move it up there.

Are these posts regarding us? me (3rd place), Gary (2nd place), James and Jim (biggest rockfish) who fishing Sea Ranch and did well, I'd like to think not. Reasoning, anyone could of fished Sea Ranch, it was in the rules. It has several public access points just like the one we launched from. Are these easy launches... stairs, obstacles, long trails, surf launch, ect.? No, but we took a chance and it payed off. We followed the rules and you need to trust in your fellow NCKA brothers to do the same. If you never trust us you're always going to be upset at weigh in, unless you win of course.

Jim, one of the reasons I really like this club and all the guys in it, is TRUST. I feel I can trust them and I hope they can trust me. Trust them to save my ass if I need it, trust them to step up and do the right thing, trust them to be there for me or my family in a time of need, on and on and on....

Enough said. Sorry if this offended anyone but it was on my mind.

If a person was found to cheat at my event, that person would be banished from all future events and possibly burned at the stake. I also hope this will never be an issue

See Ya Soon,
Eric / Yakhopper

I thought we used cheaters as crab bait.

I think all repeat winners should be banned for life. Not because of cheating but because it will give a guy like me a chance to make 43rd place.   
Honor system is the NCKA standard in my honest opinion.

Ok I'm going there...

Jim, I understand from this post and your previous post regrading the RTM tourney that trust may be an issue regarding your fellow anglers. Could someone cheat and maybe win, yes maybe, but I don't think about that.
Here is a couple of your posts regarding the RTM event.

I believe in the future this event that all should paddle out of Ocean Cove, it has enough space to handle everyone launching and landing in the same spot and it makes for a much fairer competition I my mind. Oh well whatever you do keep it going and will be back for sure.
Later
Jimbo

Seems kinda difficult to accept this since it is so restrictive to fish here without staying in a house. My feeling is all must launch and fish in the general area otherwise it is not a fair playing field. Sea Ranch is 30 miles north from the tourney and quite difficult to get access to. Oh well I had fun with all that stayed at the campground. I caught a huge red at 21 on Friday that would have been in the running for biggest rockfish. Hopefully next year they remove the ability to fish out of Sea Ranch or move it up there.

Are these posts regarding us? me (3rd place), Gary (2nd place), James and Jim (biggest rockfish) who fishing Sea Ranch and did well, I'd like to think not. Reasoning, anyone could of fished Sea Ranch, it was in the rules. It has several public access points just like the one we launched from. Are these easy launches... stairs, obstacles, long trails, surf launch, ect.? No, but we took a chance and it payed off. We followed the rules and you need to trust in your fellow NCKA brothers to do the same. If you never trust us you're always going to be upset at weigh in, unless you win of course.

Jim, one of the reasons I really like this club and all the guys in it, is TRUST. I feel I can trust them and I hope they can trust me. Trust them to save my ass if I need it, trust them to step up and do the right thing, trust them to be there for me or my family in a time of need, on and on and on....

Enough said. Sorry if this offended anyone but it was on my mind.

Sorry i didn't see this response. The question regarding Sea Ranch has nothing to do with this issue since that issue is strcitly has to do with everyone launchign the same location, it is up the the tournament director to decide this. I think most people will feel the same about this issue but that is not my call. I think there has or could be times when someone launches in one of our tournaments with pre-fish in the hull , I hope it nevers happens but there has been sometime when I thought this did happen. I will not go back to details about this and it (could) was  happen a long time ago. Having this check would allow us to better track new people that decide to join a tourney that have never been on our site and have no reference to their character. It is just an easy thing to do that should not have any problem. Sorry to confuse this with my other rant.
Thanks
Jim

That's the problem with inviting outsiders to compete in tournies that award big prizes like kayaks...we don't know if they're on the level.
But the event sponsors probably don't want their product's exposure to be limited to our little fishing club...they'd probably prefer to get as much exposure as possible.
Thus the dilemma we are faced with...as a growing competitive sport.

It kinda reminds me of the idea that only tourney-caught fish should qualify for AOTY. I hope it never goes there...for the sake of the community (we don't wanna become socal north).
Fortunately, we are a big family and we trust each other. If someone here cheated to win, they'd be lambasted big time.

I have never fished one of the norcal tournament. I'm sure it would be a end up being donation. One reason I didn't fish GS7 was the rule that required that people who has fished it before. I had a couple offers but didn't feel right as those guys barely knew me. now I think they do. But most of you wouldn't. I wouldn't like feeling like an outsider and I'm sure you guys wouldn't like it coming to a tournament down here. I have two questions. one to Ricci he won our yak did you feel like an outsider? And if someone form out side NCKA wins your yak, will they be treated the same. Or will they be suspect. Maybe NCKA is a victim of it's success. My second thing I'd like to ask. What would one of your founders think here. IE Mooch. I had only traded PM's with the man we had something in common and he made me feel like one of you with a PM. In my opinion a cheat would be same as steeling, and banned from NCKA, And word should be spread to all the other yak groups as well, So they ban him as well. I know in our tournament we fish in teams for safety, let the team police their selves. After all they would get cheated too. I think this discussion is due to one person who couldn't take off his fish finder. due to the way it was mounted during a tournament. But it was disabled and should not have been a problem. This is a good organization and will remain that way I'm sure. Why change something that has worked for along time.   

The one & only tourny I have been to so far was with you guys... I came away impressed at how honor and trust and were justn part and parcel -good guys and gals-and are all unspoken and tools of the trade feeling...like leaving your tool bag laying around on the job...among brothers it would NEVER be an issue imho

I thought about afterwards and figured it had to do with folks of a feather flock together

I have never fished one of the norcal tournament. I'm sure it would be a end up being donation. One reason I didn't fish GS7 was the rule that required that people who has fished it before. I had a couple offers but didn't feel right as those guys barely knew me. now I think they do. But most of you wouldn't. I wouldn't like feeling like an outsider and I'm sure you guys wouldn't like it coming to a tournament down here. I have two questions. one to Ricci he won our yak did you feel like an outsider? And if someone form out side NCKA wins your yak, will they be treated the same. Or will they be suspect. Maybe NCKA is a victim of it's success. My second thing I'd like to ask. What would one of your founders think here. IE Mooch. I had only traded PM's with the man we had something in common and he made me feel like one of you with a PM. In my opinion a cheat would be same as steeling, and banned from NCKA, And word should be spread to all the other yak groups as well, So they ban him as well. I know in our tournament we fish in teams for safety, let the team police their selves. After all they would get cheated too. I think this discussion is due to one person who couldn't take off his fish finder. due to the way it was mounted during a tournament. But it was disabled and should not have been a problem. This is a good organization and will remain that way I'm sure. Why change something that has worked for along time.   

The one & only tourny I have been to so far was with you guys... I came away impressed at how honor and trust and were justn part and parcel -good guys and gals-and are all unspoken and tools of the trade feeling...like leaving your tool bag laying around on the job...among brothers it would NEVER be an issue imho

I thought about afterwards and figured it had to do with folks of a feather flock together

I'm hearing you guys, and I respect where you're coming from.  Whoever gets a sponsor, signs up, follows the rules, and is out to have a good time will be honored at GS.  You have to be an NCKA member, and hopefully that remains enough to identify someone as worthy of winning if they deserve it!  I hope Ricci wasn't treated as an outsider winning at CSD2.

If you want a good, honest opinion of GS and how NCKA rolls ask RHYAK.  I trust him to give you good info, and I hope you don't have any doubts about coming to Gimme Shelter.  No doubts, Bros. 

 

It seems with all the tourneys going on now and the prizes are much bigger, it seems like we might need something such as a buddy check before launching your kayak during a tournament. Someone that when you bring your winning fish to the weigh in will verify that when you launched there are no fish in the hatches and official gear was used. It is hard to believe that someone could cheat during these tourneys but with large dollars floating around and making a fair event it would be something that is very easy to use. When you are launching just make sure you are checked by a friend or someone else launching at the same time. I think this would help remove doubts that come from certain situations. Just a thought feel free to chime in on this

All of the responsibility to verify competitor's entries falls to whomever is running the tourney. It's completely the individual tournament director's prerogative to set & enforce their own rules HOWEVER THEY SEE FIT. Personally I think all of the NCKA tourney directors have been doing a Great job.


Regarding the events that allow anglers to launch from all different locations, I think any event with more than one launching location should be labeled an AOTD event & not a tournament. Not a big deal really but there is a difference, everyone fishing the same waters & everyone fishing completely different waters, so a distinction should be made. But again that is completely up to the event organizers.