Ncka Education

If this is the place to express disappointment in people that seemed to get rude for no apparent good reason then count me in.  I was embarrassed by the level of pushyness and disregard for common courtesy in that thread.

When newbies and some regulars expressed concerns they were rebuked by some instead of being offered assurances that the group does have a great family priority - which we do.

Those who are willing to be rude and pushy instead of diplomatic and inclusive have made themselves known, and being anbassadors for the friendly NCKA spirit is apparently up to the rest of us.  You can make your own decision about where you stand and move forward based on that.

Chad - I don't feel like there are two sides - it's NCKA and "other".  If newcomers don't want to be part of our community then they can make that decision on their own, but shouldn't it be based on the values that we hold dear here? 

I think Eric/Yakhopper said it well

I kept out of that discussion because I try to see both sides, But........
After reading the original post several times, this is my conclusion.
The post was made as a polite way of asking others to use better judgement in the open.
Now you can argue that you have the freedom to make your own choices...... yes you do, but not when it affects my family.
You can also argue that you always keep in your own private area ...... if this was true, this discussion would never have come to be.
Personally, I don't care what you do, its your life and you have the freedom to live it as you choose.
However, if I was to ask someone to show a little courtesy and respect in front of my family, and I got 20+ pages worth of argument ..... it would get real ugly fast, and I don't think I would have much respect for that person.
Sorry if this upsets some of you.
I enjoy the time I spend with all the brothers and sisters of NCKA , but this also had me ready to look elsewhere.

I sure hope that this does not become the norm around here.

Eric / Yakhopper

Sent from my phone cause I can

i just got done reading that thread.tv down,babysitting so i had some time.is this why everyone says welcome to the madness

If this is the place to express disappointment in people that seemed to get rude for no apparent good reason then count me in.  I was embarrassed by the level of pushyness and disregard for common courtesy in that thread.

When newbies and some regulars expressed concerns they were rebuked by some instead of being offered assurances that the group does have a great family priority - which we do.

Those who are willing to be rude and pushy instead of diplomatic and inclusive have made themselves known, and being anbassadors for the friendly NCKA spirit is apparently up to the rest of us.  You can make your own decision about where you stand and move forward based on that.

Chad - I don't feel like there are two sides - it's NCKA and "other".  If newcomers don't want to be part of our community then they can make that decision on their own, but shouldn't it be based on the values that we hold dear here? 

I think Eric/Yakhopper said it well

I kept out of that discussion because I try to see both sides, But........
After reading the original post several times, this is my conclusion.
The post was made as a polite way of asking others to use better judgement in the open.
Now you can argue that you have the freedom to make your own choices...... yes you do, but not when it affects my family.
You can also argue that you always keep in your own private area ...... if this was true, this discussion would never have come to be.
Personally, I don't care what you do, its your life and you have the freedom to live it as you choose.
However, if I was to ask someone to show a little courtesy and respect in front of my family, and I got 20+ pages worth of argument ..... it would get real ugly fast, and I don't think I would have much respect for that person.
Sorry if this upsets some of you.
I enjoy the time I spend with all the brothers and sisters of NCKA , but this also had me ready to look elsewhere.

I sure hope that this does not become the norm around here.

Eric / Yakhopper

Sent from my phone cause I can

Thank You!  As an ambassador of representing a sponsor it is my job to evaluate what happens at the events.  We do that for a reason.  Please make sure everything goes smooth at the events or we won't have future events to sponsor. 

If this is the place to express disappointment in people that seemed to get rude for no apparent good reason then count me in.  I was embarrassed by the level of pushyness and disregard for common courtesy in that thread.

When newbies and some regulars expressed concerns they were rebuked by some instead of being offered assurances that the group does have a great family priority - which we do.

Those who are willing to be rude and pushy instead of diplomatic and inclusive have made themselves known, and being anbassadors for the friendly NCKA spirit is apparently up to the rest of us.  You can make your own decision about where you stand and move forward based on that.

Chad - I don't feel like there are two sides - it's NCKA and "other".  If newcomers don't want to be part of our community then they can make that decision on their own, but shouldn't it be based on the values that we hold dear here? 

I think Eric/Yakhopper said it well

I kept out of that discussion because I try to see both sides, But........
After reading the original post several times, this is my conclusion.
The post was made as a polite way of asking others to use better judgement in the open.
Now you can argue that you have the freedom to make your own choices...... yes you do, but not when it affects my family.
You can also argue that you always keep in your own private area ...... if this was true, this discussion would never have come to be.
Personally, I don't care what you do, its your life and you have the freedom to live it as you choose.
However, if I was to ask someone to show a little courtesy and respect in front of my family, and I got 20+ pages worth of argument ..... it would get real ugly fast, and I don't think I would have much respect for that person.
Sorry if this upsets some of you.
I enjoy the time I spend with all the brothers and sisters of NCKA , but this also had me ready to look elsewhere.

I sure hope that this does not become the norm around here.

Eric / Yakhopper

Sent from my phone cause I can

I agree 100% Eric. I don't mean that we are divided between two sides. Though that was kind of the feel through alot of the "ethics" post. I meant that I agree with both points of view and there should never be a reason we have to "choose sides" on such a topic. We are all one community and I think I was trying to embrace that idea.  I may not have worded it the best.

X2   

I kept out of that discussion because I try to see both sides, But........
After reading the original post several times, this is my conclusion.
The post was made as a polite way of asking others to use better judgement in the open.
Now you can argue that you have the freedom to make your own choices...... yes you do, but not when it affects my family.
You can also argue that you always keep in your own private area ...... if this was true, this discussion would never have come to be.
Personally, I don't care what you do, its your life and you have the freedom to live it as you choose.
However, if I was to ask someone to show a little courtesy and respect in front of my family, and I got 20+ pages worth of argument ..... it would get real ugly fast, and I don't think I would have much respect for that person.
Sorry if this upsets some of you.
I enjoy the time I spend with all the brothers and sisters of NCKA , but this also had me ready to look elsewhere.

I sure hope that this does not become the norm around here.

Eric / Yakhopper

Sent from my phone cause I can

Well said from my humble perspective. I don't normally attend many large events anyway as I prefer small groups . That whole thread sealed the deal for me though.
The perspective from a newbie like me was in general "We have a core group", We don't want newbies changing what we got", "If you don't like something about NCKA...take a hike"
Just saying that was/is my impression is all not trying to put words in anyone's mouth.
I have learned a great deal from this group (THANK YOU SO MUCH) and have fished with a handful of you but, I am more inclined to gravitate to an LCKA type of atmosphere which many of you here are also members on.
Just posting "Look what I caught" pics, talking about weather forecasts and looking for company to fish with. Like I said, I like small groups. 
Just felt like "Once a newbie, always a newbie" kind of thing.  OK, hope you don't mind if I hang around online and post from time to time, still learning a lot of good info from ALL of you.     Calm weather and tight lines.

I kept out of that discussion because I try to see both sides, But........
After reading the original post several times, this is my conclusion.
The post was made as a polite way of asking others to use better judgement in the open.
Now you can argue that you have the freedom to make your own choices...... yes you do, but not when it affects my family.
You can also argue that you always keep in your own private area ...... if this was true, this discussion would never have come to be.
Personally, I don't care what you do, its your life and you have the freedom to live it as you choose.
However, if I was to ask someone to show a little courtesy and respect in front of my family, and I got 20+ pages worth of argument ..... it would get real ugly fast, and I don't think I would have much respect for that person.
Sorry if this upsets some of you.
I enjoy the time I spend with all the brothers and sisters of NCKA , but this also had me ready to look elsewhere.

I sure hope that this does not become the norm around here.

Eric / Yakhopper

Sent from my phone cause I can

Well said from my humble perspective. I don't normally attend many large events anyway as I prefer small groups . That whole thread sealed the deal for me though.
The perspective from a newbie like me was in general "We have a core group", We don't want newbies changing what we got", "If you don't like something about NCKA...take a hike"
Just saying that was/is my impression is all not trying to put words in anyone's mouth.
I have learned a great deal from this group (THANK YOU SO MUCH) and have fished with a handful of you but, I am more inclined to gravitate to an LCKA type of atmosphere which many of you here are also members on.
Just posting "Look what I caught" pics, talking about weather forecasts and looking for company to fish with. Like I said, I like small groups. 
Just felt like "Once a newbie, always a newbie" kind of thing.  OK, hope you don't mind if I hang around online and post from time to time, still learning a lot of good info from ALL of you.     Calm weather and tight lines.

It's unfortunate that you let some personal opinions turn you away from taking part in the large gatherings. I have been in other fishing groups that ignored me, as if I never existed, completely. NCKA is nowhere close to that. I am happy to have met everyone that I have in NCKA, regardless of their opinions/viewpoints. I like the diversity.

Howard

Chad - I didn't think you were being divisive - just trying to make my point clear.  I appreciate your vibe.   

Crawfish - I'd say the vast majority of members here want you to feel free to join in and bring the best parts of yourself to the group if you want.  The implication that we don't welcome newbie energy and contributions is way off base.  Hope to see you continue to develop your place here at NCKA and LCKA too.   

My interest here isn't about my event - it takes care of itself.  My intention is to clarify that NCKA is about including all who bring good energy. 

NCKA is about including all who bring good energy.

Well said Eric.

I was a straight up newb not so long ago...was welcomed with open arms by NCKA at both small hook ups and large events.

And I don't smoke pot, and nobody cares and has never lit up in my kids or wife's face and if they did I would ask them to stop and they would and that would be that.

Some of my best friends on here have become some of my best friends in life, despite the incredible amount of differences amongst our group.

That thread sucked ass in many ways, but it has done nothing at all change how I feel about NCKA and my friends on here and I'm sure that newcomers (who bring good energy like Eric said above) will continue to be welcomed with open arms and hearts and respect by all on here, regardless of their background and beliefs.

Sincerely,

Jim

It was cool for everybody at Spikes RTM tourney this weekend. The users were cool, there weren't a lot of kids and I stayed up wind.  Let's not drag this into another lengthy discussion. An issue was brought for discussion and we reached a reasonable conclusion that we all can live with. Oh and don't believe that newbies no matter what you believe or do  aren't welcome in NCKA. NCKA is the most diverse group of people I have ever known and the diversity is what makes it special. Some of the comments from the "core" don't represent the majority and don't represent how nice those guys really are. Don't form decisions about people based on what they say on blogs. Base them on your experience with them on the water and what they do and I would fish with those guys any day. Let's get back to fishing. 

It was cool for everybody at Spikes RTM tourney this weekend. The users were cool, there weren't a lot of kids and I stayed up wind.  Let's not drag this into another lengthy discussion. An issue was brought for discussion and we reached a reasonable conclusion that we all can live with. Oh and don't believe that newbies no matter what you believe or do  aren't welcome in NCKA. NCKA is the most diverse group of people I have ever known and the diversity is what makes it special. Some of the comments from the "core" don't represent the majority and don't represent how nice those guys really are. Don't form decisions about people based on what they say on blogs. Base them on your experience with them on the water and what they do. Let's get back to fishing. 

That!

As a relative newb, I want to thank all those who have made the NCKA such a wonderful place for us to all gather and share our love for the outdoors, kayaking and fishing! 

~Bill

NCKA is the nicest group of people I WILL ever meet. I have never known that such a good group could exist. Newbs shouldn't feel that they can't come to events for fear of whatever..... Events are the funnest and most community rich times of my life. You WILL laugh, you WILL meet a ton of great people. you WILL eat lots of great food. People WILL drink and people WILL burn. They WILL Never intentionally upset you. They WILL Do whatever it takes to make sure no one is uncomfortable. But they WILL not be told what to and when to do it(except from WAF)  They WILL never Disrespect anyone. They WILL never Turn away a newb. They WILL also give you the shirt of their backs and WILL pull you out of the ocean. They WILL paddle as fast as they can toward Where a GWS just attacked. And you WILL do the same for them. Everybody WILL always have that sense of camaraderie.  I WILL Never leave this group. I always have and always WILL respect others space and family. That WILL never even be an issue. There WILL be blood, and we WILL catch fish. If you wish to choose to judge people based on a bad post and assume that NCKA is not worthy of you it WILL be one of your biggest mistakes ever. Now WILL someone shut me up and give me fishing pole!

Anyone who was offended by the "core" comments I made should just ask any of the new people at Spike's tournament this past weekend how they were treated.

And if it bothered you that much then you can avoid me and my "core" group of friends....but why anybody thinks that my bad attitude towards overly thenthitive people is the same view shared by all of NCKA is beyond me.

I am not NCKA and nowhere in any of my posts did I say I represented the thoughts of any NCKA member other than my own.

NCKA is the nicest group of people I WILL ever meet. I have never known that such  good group could exist. Newbs shouldn't feel that they can't some to events for fear of whatever..... Events are the funnest and most community rich times of my life. You WILL laugh, you WILL meet a ton of great people. you WILL eat lots of great food. People WILL drink and people WILL burn. They WILL Never intentionally upset you. They WILL Do whatever it takes to make sure no one is uncomfortable. But they WILL not be told what to and when to do it(except from WAF)  They WILL never Disrespect anyone. They WILL never Turn away a newb. They WILL also give you the shirt of their backs and WILL pull you out of the ocean. They WILL paddle as fast as they can toward Where a GWS just attacked. And you WILL do the same for them. Everybody WILL always have that sense of camaraderie.  I WILL Never leave this group. I always have and always WILL respect others space and family. That WILL never even be an issue. There WILL be blood, and we WILL catch fish. If you wish to choose to judge people based on a bad post and assume that NCKA is not worthy of you it WILL be one of your biggest mistakes ever. Now WILL someone shut me up and give me fishing pole!

Well said brother.