did the oil run out! what's with the gas prices? Greed or what? hear anything?

Gaaasssssss!!!!!! WENT TO WORK, 3.99 ON THE WAY HOME $$$4.25$$$ WHAT HAPPENED???   

It's 4.33 now.  Hahaha

Lame gas prices.


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Guess I should have kept my motorcycle!   

Consider you guys lucky I'm putting 4.45 a gal.3 dollars shy of 50 for a honda

Two refineries in Los Angles went down

Two refineries in Los Angles went down

Just wonderful!
I wonder if I can get my Pro Angler on top of a Prius?   

Two refineries in Los Angles went down

Just wonderful!
I wonder if I can get my Pro Angler on top of a Prius?   

Hell ya you can a vw rabbit can haul ten yaks

Crude prices are down a little and prices are rising at the pump again.  The excuse this time is refinery issues.  Unfortunately, we have no choice but to pay the price.  We should all be so lucky to have a business that allows us to manipulate prices to continually maximize profits.  If it isn't the price of crude, it's a refinery issue.  This won't go away until an alternative fuel is discovered or developed.

Alternative fuels are already out there....just not as easily available at the pump yet. Wonder why....


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Surprised no one blamed our CA governm....err...us.
We ( us Californians) mandated a special formula to reduce emissions-that formula is only refined in our market. Drop a refinery or two offline-their uptime isn't 100% by any means, and good old supply and demand takes over.

I love the smell of capitalism in the morning....

Alternative fuels are already out there....just not as easily available at the pump yet. Wonder why....

Agreed. 

Been watching the development of the Honda Clarity for years now.  Anybody know more about it?  Seems like there were some cool additional possibilities for home-based, solar-powered ideas for producing hydrogen gas to power the fuel cell.  Anybody know more about this topic?  Crushed by big oil????

http://automobiles.honda.com/fcx-clarity/

If someone would make a plug in pick up I'd be all over it.....those solar panels on the roof can do more then cut my pg&e bill.

Alternative fuels are already out there....just not as easily available at the pump yet. Wonder why....

Agreed. 

Been watching the development of the Honda Clarity for years now.  Anybody know more about it?  Seems like there were some cool additional possibilities for home-based, solar-powered ideas for producing hydrogen gas to power the fuel cell.  Anybody know more about this topic?  Crushed by big oil????

http://automobiles.honda.com/fcx-clarity/

Conventional Hydrogen production in volumes high enough to be useful is very energy intensive and yields lots of CO2 as well as the hydrogen.  It's generally done by mixing methane, ethane, and propane with steam, heating it to about 1500F and passing it over catalyst.  The hydrogen then could be used to run a fuel cell pollution free, trouble is you use much more energy and create more CO2 getting the hydrogen, than if you'd just burned the gas in your car. 

There are 2 other methods I know of, both are also energy intensive but can yield little pollution.  First, under the right conditions electricity can be used to break water molecules apart into Hydrogen and Oxygen. Unfortunately the energy required to do this is also greater than you get back by the time you use the hydrogen to power a fuel cell and drive a motor. If you get the electricity from solar or wind then this method will yeild energy that is pretty pollution free. But then you have to consider the cost in $.  Since you can sell electricity back into the grid or use it yourself you have to price it as such and then you're back to being pollution free but costly.

A second alternative method invloves just sunshine and catalyst. This method isn't very efficient and requires large sunlit surface areas to produce enough hydrogen to be of any real use. Another way to look at it is if you used the same area to produce electricity with solar panels you'd be better off.

Oh yeah, and you can be sure that the Major Oil companies are not holding back the research on this, they are to ones doing it.  They know that there are no commercially viable processes out there and that the first one to come with one. wins.

It's politics!