DFG ocean questions

questions on the two hook limit..

Is a tipical halibut rig legal, with the sliding single hook and the treble?

Is it TWO HOOKS your allowed on one line?

A treble has three points? Hows this all work out..

Also what the regs on a second ocean rod?

I fish with one, but just currious, the book is confusing

Yes, those pre-tied halibut rigs are legal (the kind w/sliding front hook and treble stinger like you described). I think the confusion comes from the issue of using those for rockfish.
They're legal to use for rockfish too---those are your 2 hooks. Only allowed 2 hooks while fishing for rockfish or when you have rockfish onboard. And can only use 1 rod at a time while rockfishing.
So just don't use a halibut rig AND a swimbait/jig/iron at the same time. Because then you're using more than 2 hooks for rockfish.

Of course, we're talking about using those halibut rigs for rockfish. If you're fishing for halibut (and don't have rockfish onboard), then you can use multiple rods. But good luck managing 2 rods from the yak.

Got it, thank!


heck no, one rod is plenty....

but sometimes i have my 2nd rod in the rear flush mount rod holder... with my sabiki on it to catch bait, and if im drifiting i like to lower it into the water, so when the bait comes buy i have a bait fish on with no effort, is this legal?

IF you are fishing for rockfish OR have any rockfish aboard:
Only 1 rod deployed in the water
Only 2 hook max on that rod

So, I believe you are technically illegal if you are drifting for rockies AND having a sabiki rod in the water as well.

The question of the hook limit as it applies to sabiki rigs I don't have an answer for. I'd guess that IF a warden wanted to be picky, they could probably insist that you have only 2 hooks per sabiki too.

Once you have that first rockfish aboard the rules get complicated for sure.

So, I believe you are technically illegal if you are drifting for rockies AND having a sabiki rod in the water as well.

very good chance youll get charged for that if you have RF on board. Seen it happen. Even if you have only one rod, which has a typical sabiki on it with RF on board......i know, it sux........

cool, guess its a good thing i didnt catch anything, other then a 1000 bait fish....

i did however cut my sabiki down to two hooks, the tangles were killing me! Its still just as productive too!

So, I believe you are technically illegal if you are drifting for rockies AND having a sabiki rod in the water as well.

What if you're drifting for buts, not targeting rockies, nor do you have any onboard, can you drift with one rod for halibut and have the other rod be a sabiki.

Sorry if this was already discussed/answered.  Love the thread!

Thanks for any and all info.

Michael

So, I believe you are technically illegal if you are drifting for rockies AND having a sabiki rod in the water as well.

What if you're drifting for buts, not targeting rockies, nor do you have any onboard, can you drift with one rod for halibut and have the other rod be a sabiki.

Sorry if this was already discussed/answered.  Love the thread!

Thanks for any and all info.

Michael

I think you'd be ok in that scenario. The question of # of hooks on the sabiki may still present a problem. If it was cut down to two hooks as Porky said, I think it would comply.

So, I believe you are technically illegal if you are drifting for rockies AND having a sabiki rod in the water as well.

What if you're drifting for buts, not targeting rockies, nor do you have any onboard, can you drift with one rod for halibut and have the other rod be a sabiki.

That is legal. You can use as many rods as you want when halibut fishing. With up to 10 hooks per rod (I think). It's just the rockfish variable that keeps throwing this equation out of whack.

great question and thanks for the great answers!

Keep in mind that if you're fishing for halibut in SF Bay, from a boat or kayak then you may only use one rod.

Which bay?

The SF bay?

Yup.

Sorry, I fixed my post to be more specific.

I think this post will clear some questions for some of us:

New Second Rod Stamp and Report Card Requirements

Some of you may know me from my posts on the Sniffer.  My name is Glenn Underwood and I work for the Department of Fish and Game as the License Program Analyst for the sport fishing, waterfowl and lifetime license programs.  I am also an avid outdoorsman and a fellow Sniffer. 

There are several new regulations for 2008 that affect the sport fishing report cards and a change in law that affects the Second Rod Stamp. 

Assembly Bill 1729 passed, changing the areas where a Second Rod Stamp is valid.  The new law takes effect January 1, 2008.  Under the new law, any person with a Second Rod Stamp may fish with two rods in inland waters, except for waters where barbless hooks or artificial lures are required.  On the delta, inland waters begin east of the Carquinez Bridge. 

On December 7, 2007, the Fish and Game Commission adopted regulations that affect all sport fishing report cards.  Here is a summary of the regulation changes affecting report cards:

-  A new Spiny Lobster Report Card will be required for any person taking lobster beginning in the Fall of 2008.  The Spiny Lobster Report Card fee is $7.90.

-  Abalone divers will be required to tag all abalone taken.  The Abalone Report Card will come with 24 small waterproof tags.  The tags are similar to the tags that come with the Sturgeon Report Card. 

-  The Salmon Punch Card is renamed as the Klamath-Trinity Salmon Report Card.  It is no longer required for ocean waters.  (It is only required on the Klamath-Trinity River System.)  The regulations now require anglers to make entries on the report card before fishing at each location and much more information is collected.  It is similar to the Steelhead Report Card.  Anglers may now purchase a second Klamath-Trinity Salmon Report Card, after completing a first card and returning it to the Department of Fish and Game. 

-  All anglers must have the applicable report card in possession while fishing for steelhead, sturgeon, abalone, spiny lobster or for salmon in the Klamath-Trinity River System.  This includes anglers who are not required to have a sport fishing license, such as: children, every person fishing on free fishing days, and every person fishing from a public pier in ocean waters.

The date that the new report card requirements will take effect is dependant upon the final filing with the Office of Administrative Law.

The new regulations will be included in the sport fishing regulation booklets (available in February).

If you have any questions about the new regulations, please call me.

Glenn Underwood
Department of Fish and Game
License Program Analyst
(916) 928-5841