New hoop net regs?

so they talk about 'elevated risk' and 'substantial increase in number of hoop nets'...but don't use any statistics from last year? were hoop nets involved in any entanglements last year?

I thought the Science showed the  lines  just worried the whales to death. No entanglements to my knowledge.

I am sure that is why they are bald even though they are mammals...too much stress.

Troy

This document is pretty informative:

https://nrm.dfg.ca.gov/FileHandler.ashx?DocumentID=204764&inline

Looks like promar ambush rings are fine as long as they aren't more than 10" tall.  Some of my type A rings are no good anymore, since they have wire mesh on the bottom of the basket.

Also, the emergency action was adopted on October 13th and is in place already.

Hi Crash,
Hope you are correct but part of the source you attached says
"Type  B hoop nets will be amended to
restrict designs from “two to three rigid rings” to allow “only two rigid rings” reflecting that there is a
bottom ring and a top ring. Other amendments to this subsection reflect the new two-ring design.
Metallic mesh and allowing the type B design to have three rings makes both hoop net types
heavier, posing a greater risk of severe injuries from entanglement due to the additional weight of
the hoop net."

So unless they count the lower ring as a bait ring (as was in the current regs) and add some language to discount it then from my reading it looks like ambush traps as they are would be illegal should this language remain as it is in the emergency action.

So I wait till it hits the streets to be sure..... if I have to I will cut the bait ring out to make it only two rings.
Troy 

“A bait ring may be attached to the net as long as the ring is not part of the rigid frame.”

The bait ring on ambush traps is fine.

Hi Crash,
 
I think that came off the current regs..... these emergency regs make no mention that I could find of a bait ring?

Troy

Hi Crash,
 
I think that came off the current regs..... these emergency regs make no mention that I could find of a bait ring?

Troy

Check the redline.  The language about the bait ring is unchanged

Thanks Crash,
Looks like we are good with the ambush traps .... thanks for providing a markup..... where did you find that?

Troy

Thanks Crash,
Looks like we are good with the ambush traps .... thanks for providing a markup..... where did you find that?

Troy

I found it in the materials presented for the fish and game commission meeting on October 12-13.  I also watched the video archive of the meeting related to the emergency regulation, which lasted about an hour.

They're doing all this to lower the object's weight...
Do they realize people intentionally add rebar to make them heavier?

I wonder when that's going to get outlawed...

They're doing all this to lower the object's weight...
Do they realize people intentionally add rebar to make them heavier?

I wonder when that's going to get outlawed...

True. If your fishing shallower water the hoops are fine but if you are dropping 175/225 feet down the tend to walk without added weight. Especially on rougher conditions.

They're doing all this to lower the object's weight...
Do they realize people intentionally add rebar to make them heavier?

I wonder when that's going to get outlawed...

I think they are doing this to outlaw designs that people think will trap crabs longer and allow them to check less frequently than the 2 hour limit. I did not see max weight or the material the rings can be made out of mentioned in the regulations, though I may have missed it. 

They're doing all this to lower the object's weight...
Do they realize people intentionally add rebar to make them heavier?

I wonder when that's going to get outlawed...

I think they are doing this to outlaw designs that people think will trap crabs longer and allow them to check less frequently than the 2 hour limit. I did not see max weight or the material the rings can be made out of mentioned in the regulations, though I may have missed it. 

There was a bit of discussion of reducing weight to minimize entanglement risk, but nothing about weight in the emergency regulation. I’d expect that the regular process will yield a weight limit or a disallowance of additional weight added. That should be finalized next autumn.

Thanks for all the info on this thread, especially to Crash for being the resident NCKA regulations wonk!