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Topic: wheelez/Bonnlo cart capsize question  (Read 2649 times)

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SaltyFish

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I can self rescue and flip my yak over on my own.  I just got the Bonnlo cart with the balloon wheels and I had been tying it to be the the back of my Revo 13 when I am on the water.  I was wondering if I should capsize with that strapped to the back would I be able to turn the yak over again with those balloon wheels strapped to the back. 

The other thing I could do is store the wheels in the front hatch and just tie the frame to the back of the yak.

I know I should probably try it to find out, but I would like to hear if anyone with these kinds of carts would weigh in.  Below is a photo of the bonnlo cart with balloon wheels



Fish 'n Brew

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I always stored my wheels in the front hatch of my Revo and bungied the frame to the rear well.  I have since gotten a new Outback and installed Boondox "landing Gear" wheels.  I don't think they would be an issue when in the "up" position but they are the big balloon tires like wheeleeze.  It would not be difficult to simply pull the axles out if they were a problem when turning the yak back over.  They are very buoyant and might actually make righting the yak easier.  ???????????


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  Unless you find someone who has tried to flip a kayak upright with wheels attached,  do it yourself, or have some fancy computer modeling available, I don't think you'll know.
   Balloon tires are very buoyant, so I could see them making the stern ride very high in the water and might make it difficult for you to reach over to grab the other side to flip it over. 
   


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I always stored my wheels in the front hatch of my Revo and bungied the frame to the rear well. 

This is how i roll, with the big beach wheels. Bonus is the in-hull flotation.
I miss the days of the standard cart frames that could fit into a hatch with the wheels off. Manufacturers, are you listening? :smt005
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I never used these wheels, but as a previous 2020 Outback owner, I can say for sure that when the Trax-2 wheels and cart are stuck in the scupper hole behind the seat, it makes flipping the kayak more difficult. The reason being that when you flip the kayak, you’re actually forcing the side close to you lower, and the side far from you higher. And the wheels make this procedure more difficult.
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I think that since the wheels are strapped on the kayak itself, that they're closer to the center of rotation and it shouldn't pose too much of a problem.  Now, amas, since they're further away from the center of rotation, may pose some difficulty in the kayak up righting process?  Thoughts?
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pmmpete

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I never used these wheels, but as a previous 2020 Outback owner, I can say for sure that when the Trax-2 wheels and cart are stuck in the scupper hole behind the seat, it makes flipping the kayak more difficult. The reason being that when you flip the kayak, you’re actually forcing the side close to you lower, and the side far from you higher. And the wheels make this procedure more difficult.
Adding weight to a kayak doesn't make it harder to right it, and may actually make it easier.  I have done a lot of unsupported 1-2 week whitewater kayak trips with a lot of gear in my kayak, and the more food and gear there is in a kayak, the easier it is to roll it upright.  It's like rolling a log: once you get it spinning, keeping it going is almost effortless.  But as Li-Orca suggested, I can imagine that the buoyancy of balloon tires might make it harder to right a fishing kayak.  There's an easy way to determine the effect, if any, of balloon tires on how hard it is to right a kayak: try it out.  Do some roll practice with and without the cart in the back of your kayak.

The purpose of pontoons or amas is to make it harder to tip over a kayak, so they will also make it harder to right a kayak if you manage to tip it over.
« Last Edit: February 15, 2021, 02:35:19 PM by pmmpete »


SaltyFish

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For now I will just store the wheels in the front hatch and strap the frame to the back. 

Come summer I will probably do the test to see if the wheels will make it easier  harder to flip back the yak.

Thanks for all the input guys.  Hope to catch some of you on the water.  take care.


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I've used these wheels for two years and they are badass. On my oldtown predator I had the deck space and weight capacity to carry them no problem. I have a revo 16 now and don't plant to carry the wheels out on the water with me anymore. Either hide them in a bush or walk them back to the truck. Most of my launches are pretty remote that I don't think anyone would try to take these wheels. I've also thought of chaining them up to the pier on the more popular beaches or even chained to a tree. But idk, you'd have to be a dickhead to swoop some ones wheels.


Tim in Albion

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might make it difficult for you to reach over to grab the other side to flip it over. 

The alternative and possibly easier method is to reach *under* the kayak to grab the handle on the far side with one hand; pull on that while pushing up on the near side with your other hand.

I also have the Bonnlo balloon-wheels and have wondered how much they would hinder the process of righting a capsized kayak. I suspect they will make it more difficult, but also perhaps reduce the probability of capsizing in the first place. Only one way to find out, but I'm going to wait for warmer weather!
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fishemotion

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The alternative and possibly easier method is to reach *under* the kayak to grab the handle on the far side with one hand; pull on that while pushing up on the near side with your other hand.


This works well and is a good technique to have in the arsenal for sure