21 million covid19 deaths in china?

Unproven now but it makes me wonder.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/china-cellphones-coronavirus/

Consider the source. The Epoch Times is in the business of making you doubt the media.  If it made you wonder, they did their job.... "On December 20, 2019 it was reported that Facebook took down more than 600 accounts connected to the Epoch Times. According to an NBC News report “The network was called ‘The BL’ and was run by Vietnamese users posing as Americans, using fake photos generated by algorithms to simulate real identities. The Epoch Media group, which pushes a variety of pro-Trump conspiracy theories, spent $9.5 million on ads to spread content through the now-suspended pages and groups.”(https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-epoch-times/)

Consider the source. The Epoch Times is in the business of making you doubt the media.  If it made you wonder, they did their job.... "On December 20, 2019 it was reported that Facebook took down more than 600 accounts connected to the Epoch Times. According to an NBC News report “The network was called ‘The BL’ and was run by Vietnamese users posing as Americans, using fake photos generated by algorithms to simulate real identities. The Epoch Media group, which pushes a variety of pro-Trump conspiracy theories, spent $9.5 million on ads to spread content through the now-suspended pages and groups.”(https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-epoch-times/)

The actual source is the Chinese ministry of industry and information technology. The cause behind the numbers is speculation. What's your explanation?

Consider the source. The Epoch Times is in the business of making you doubt the media.  If it made you wonder, they did their job.... "On December 20, 2019 it was reported that Facebook took down more than 600 accounts connected to the Epoch Times. According to an NBC News report “The network was called ‘The BL’ and was run by Vietnamese users posing as Americans, using fake photos generated by algorithms to simulate real identities. The Epoch Media group, which pushes a variety of pro-Trump conspiracy theories, spent $9.5 million on ads to spread content through the now-suspended pages and groups.”(https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-epoch-times/)

The actual source is the Chinese ministry of industry and information technology. The cause behind the numbers is speculation. What's your explanation?

Because when you shut down entire economies people can't afford things like cell phones anymore?

Apparently that's not how it works there. They already do and we may soon need cell phones to be allowed to do many things. It's an easy way for a totalitarian government to interact with the people.

The Epoch Times and the NTD - New Tang Dynasty media outlets are Falun Gong mouthpieces. Their sole reason for existing is to make the CCP look as bad as they possibly can. Not without (possibly quite good if you believe the organ harvesting statistics) reason though.

But later articles or vlogging from them, as well as the China uncensored YouTube channels have not brought up the 21 million missing cell phone numbers angle.

Now, from personal experience living in China, I can tell you that many, many people there have either multiple cheapie smartphones, or just swap SIM cards in order to use multiple numbers.

So, in a struggling economy, saving that 50 or more RMB monthly for a number that's optional is somewhat of a no-brainer.

Soooo - 21 million dead? Not hardly.  And if one actually goes and hunts down the original The Epoch Times article that is quoted all over the stinkin' place, it also says that it's unlikely that 21 million died.

On the other hand - I've information from a former student from Wuhan that confirmed there were indeed tens of thousands more funerary urns distributed from Wuhan mortuaries this year than during the equivalent period right before the qingming holiday about 10 days ago.

sorry if this is a little off topic

This morning I had coffee(safe 8’ distance) with a friend who lived and did business in China for a lot of years

We are only in China every 2-3 years for a week or two at a time and I tend to be very thoughtful about observations while we’re there

Huge gap between the typical American picture of things and reality

The Epoch Times and the NTD - New Tang Dynasty media outlets are Falun Gong mouthpieces. Their sole reason for existing is to make the CCP look as bad as they possibly can. Not without (possibly quite good if you believe the organ harvesting statistics) reason though.

But later articles or vlogging from them, as well as the China uncensored YouTube channels have not brought up the 21 million missing cell phone numbers angle.

Now, from personal experience living in China, I can tell you that many, many people there have either multiple cheapie smartphones, or just swap SIM cards in order to use multiple numbers.

So, in a struggling economy, saving that 50 or more RMB monthly for a number that's optional is somewhat of a no-brainer.

Soooo - 21 million dead? Not hardly.  And if one actually goes and hunts down the original The Epoch Times article that is quoted all over the stinkin' place, it also says that it's unlikely that 21 million died.

On the other hand - I've information from a former student from Wuhan that confirmed there were indeed tens of thousands more funerary urns distributed from Wuhan mortuaries this year than during the equivalent period right before the qingming holiday about 10 days ago.

Shen Yun dance performances also related to Falun Gong. Most people don't realize until they are actively watching the show.

https://www.newyorker.com/culture/culture-desk/stepping-into-the-uncanny-unsettling-world-of-shen-yun

Consider the source. The Epoch Times is in the business of making you doubt the media.  If it made you wonder, they did their job.... "On December 20, 2019 it was reported that Facebook took down more than 600 accounts connected to the Epoch Times. According to an NBC News report “The network was called ‘The BL’ and was run by Vietnamese users posing as Americans, using fake photos generated by algorithms to simulate real identities. The Epoch Media group, which pushes a variety of pro-Trump conspiracy theories, spent $9.5 million on ads to spread content through the now-suspended pages and groups.”(https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-epoch-times/)

So you’re saying it is the MSNBC, CNN, New York Times of Fake Chinese news?

Bluekayak wrote:

<snipped>Huge gap between the typical American picture of things and reality

That really interests me - please explain more.