Seasickness Article

https://issuu.com/48north/docs/july_2019_48n_digital

Begins on page 34.  Written by a doctor.  Covers a lot in a couple of pages. 
 
If the above link doesn't work, try "48North.com" (It's a sailing magazine.) then go to previous issues and select July, 2019.

Interesting article. I don't usually have a problem, but there have been a few times when it did really get to me...

Good read, I use Stugeron (cinnarizine). I tried it once in South Africa and was blown away. Not drowsy, fantastic. So I bought a bunch and brought it home.

Great article!!!!  I'm surprised he didn't spend a little more time on "sensory incongruity".  In the simplest of terms when one sense says one thing and another sense says something else, your stomach reacts by getting sic.  When you're rolling with a swell your inner ear tells you your moving, when you're looking at the horizon at the same time your eyes agree with your ears that you're moving and all is (mostly good).  When you're rolling with a swell and you look down into the boat or into your lap to deal with gear, your eyes all of a sudden tell you you're not moving because what you're looking at is moving exactly the same as you are with the swell.  This hits me instantly when I look down but luckily can be cured (for me) almost as fast by just looking up at the horizon or some other point to let my senses all agree that I am indeed moving.

With all that said, I'm lucky and not not overly susceptible but sometimes nothing helps.....

I was going to post a separate post but might as well put it in here. Lately I have been having prolonged seasickness or maybe its more than that. My seasickness extends all that day, all evening and into the following day. The next day I am lethargic, exhausted and run down with little appetite. Last weekend I was destroyed after I got back and spent all evening curled up on the couch and could not eat a thing. Initially I blamed this on having a reaction to the dramamine less drowsy. Ginger has done nothing for me, I will give the full dramamine a try next but I don't see it making a difference and I'm not a fan of the drowsiness I even fell asleep at a traffic light driving back one time. Someone suggested to me it might be vertigo but I'm skeptical of this. I need to get in contact with my doctor to see if he has any ideas. I have had this reaction half a dozen trips now and it seems to be worse each time, I'm so disillusioned I'm thinking of selling the kayak.

I was going to post a separate post but might as well put it in here. Lately I have been having prolonged seasickness or maybe its more than that. My seasickness extends all that day, all evening and into the following day. The next day I am lethargic, exhausted and run down with little appetite. Last weekend I was destroyed after I got back and spent all evening curled up on the couch and could not eat a thing. Initially I blamed this on having a reaction to the dramamine less drowsy. Ginger has done nothing for me, I will give the full dramamine a try next but I don't see it making a difference and I'm not a fan of the drowsiness I even fell asleep at a traffic light driving back one time. Someone suggested to me it might be vertigo but I'm skeptical of this. I need to get in contact with my doctor to see if he has any ideas. I have had this reaction half a dozen trips now and it seems to be worse each time, I'm so disillusioned I'm thinking of selling the kayak.

This is how it affects me if I don't take precautions.
If I did a somersault right now I'm done for the day.
If I fish from a  boat and take nothing, same thing.
If I dive and take nothing, same.
For whatever reason being on my kayak doesn't pose this problem nearly as bad.
Most people don't realize if you take a med for sea sickness you need to already have it in your system for it to do any real good.
I'll take one the afternoon before, one before bed, and one in the morning of fishing or diving.
Makes a world of difference.
I take the Walmart Meclizine this way and it works. Same with Dramamine.
Best for long range trips for me are the Scope patches.
For me, sea sickness completely ruins my entire day.

I was going to post a separate post but might as well put it in here. Lately I have been having prolonged seasickness or maybe its more than that. My seasickness extends all that day, all evening and into the following day. The next day I am lethargic, exhausted and run down with little appetite. Last weekend I was destroyed after I got back and spent all evening curled up on the couch and could not eat a thing. Initially I blamed this on having a reaction to the dramamine less drowsy. Ginger has done nothing for me, I will give the full dramamine a try next but I don't see it making a difference and I'm not a fan of the drowsiness I even fell asleep at a traffic light driving back one time. Someone suggested to me it might be vertigo but I'm skeptical of this. I need to get in contact with my doctor to see if he has any ideas. I have had this reaction half a dozen trips now and it seems to be worse each time, I'm so disillusioned I'm thinking of selling the kayak.

Talk to your Doc, definitely try scopalamine,

I was going to post a separate post but might as well put it in here. Lately I have been having prolonged seasickness or maybe its more than that. My seasickness extends all that day, all evening and into the following day. The next day I am lethargic, exhausted and run down with little appetite. Last weekend I was destroyed after I got back and spent all evening curled up on the couch and could not eat a thing. Initially I blamed this on having a reaction to the dramamine less drowsy. Ginger has done nothing for me, I will give the full dramamine a try next but I don't see it making a difference and I'm not a fan of the drowsiness I even fell asleep at a traffic light driving back one time. Someone suggested to me it might be vertigo but I'm skeptical of this. I need to get in contact with my doctor to see if he has any ideas. I have had this reaction half a dozen trips now and it seems to be worse each time, I'm so disillusioned I'm thinking of selling the kayak.

That sucks. I hope you find something that works, so you can continue to kayak fish the salt.

I was going to post a separate post but might as well put it in here. Lately I have been having prolonged seasickness or maybe its more than that. My seasickness extends all that day, all evening and into the following day. The next day I am lethargic, exhausted and run down with little appetite. Last weekend I was destroyed after I got back and spent all evening curled up on the couch and could not eat a thing. Initially I blamed this on having a reaction to the dramamine less drowsy. Ginger has done nothing for me, I will give the full dramamine a try next but I don't see it making a difference and I'm not a fan of the drowsiness I even fell asleep at a traffic light driving back one time. Someone suggested to me it might be vertigo but I'm skeptical of this. I need to get in contact with my doctor to see if he has any ideas. I have had this reaction half a dozen trips now and it seems to be worse each time, I'm so disillusioned I'm thinking of selling the kayak.

This is how it affects me if I don't take precautions.
If I did a somersault right now I'm done for the day.
If I fish from a  boat and take nothing, same thing.
If I dive and take nothing, same.
For whatever reason being on my kayak doesn't pose this problem nearly as bad.
Most people don't realize if you take a med for sea sickness you need to already have it in your system for it to do any real good.
I'll take one the afternoon before, one before bed, and one in the morning of fishing or diving.
Makes a world of difference.
I take the Walmart Meclizine this way and it works. Same with Dramamine.
Best for long range trips for me are the Scope patches.
For me, sea sickness completely ruins my entire day.

I took it once the night before never again, I could have taken an 8hr nap out on the water I was so frigging tired on the kayak the next day. That just beats me up so bad I'm toast.

Have you recently started taking allergy meds (antihistamines), maybe the combo is the problem?  Just wildly guessing based on you saying it's a recent problem. Sounds really scary.

Hope this doesn’t sound to advicy Mr Madraz.  I too have a fear love hate relationship to meclizine.  It has ruined my day many times, and the next,  I cannot say more is better.  I’ve been surrender the sport sick in the water several times, super nodding tired and hate the ocean desperate before.  I’ve been careful about the nights previous dinner, lessened my coffee amount on the ocean mornings, desperately trying to figure out my eating menu for an ocean day, pb&j, chips for salt, protein...but making sure I eat something for energy.  I’ve been taking 1/2  a tablet one hour before hitting the water, practicing keeping my head up for many circumstances, pre tying everything and again keeping my eyes up, I have heard one earplug can disrupt the ocular and vestibular reaction but have not tried it yet.  Getting out more, exposure, can help.  Staring at my fishfinder is a big no no, and I do believe there is a positive fight element to maintain a state of seasick rejection.  Much forced hydration.  Also, my newest enjoyment has been jolly rancher hard candies keep my mouth not nasty from meclizine mouth which I despise, especially the nasty burps,...power to your adventure and I hope you kick the ass out of this one...I guess it’s ton of advice after all so geetum brah...on a side  note, I’d rather throw up for relief than take a full dose of Dramamine...minimum 6hrs of sleep is also foundational for me:smt006

excellent read. Shark_bait was super prone to motion sickness as a kid. We got him this electric watch thingie and it pretty much cured him. My late wife used to use it for amusement park rides as well. https://www.reliefband.com/?gclid=Cj0KCQjw-b7qBRDPARIsADVbUbXgbAxl-ZBz3r_AfPZLGDPhyFdejdIz3IU6wXctkYQ1oPN5jOGQ044aAk94EALw_wcB

If it was just a simple matter of being seasick while out and once back on land it dissipates I wouldn't mind so much but to have this linger over the following 24-36 hours is what depresses me.

That sdeasickness article was impressive I have to say, I never heard of Promethazine (Phenergan) interesting that it is "the drug of choice in the US Navy, Royal Navy, and among cruise-line docs." Has anyone ever been prescribed this?

excellent read. Shark_bait was super prone to motion sickness as a kid. We got him this electric watch thingie and it pretty much cured him. My late wife used to use it for amusement park rides as well. https://www.reliefband.com/?gclid=Cj0KCQjw-b7qBRDPARIsADVbUbXgbAxl-ZBz3r_AfPZLGDPhyFdejdIz3IU6wXctkYQ1oPN5jOGQ044aAk94EALw_wcB

The company that makes that estimates it'll work for about 80% of people, and that is pretty consistent with the reviews on Amazon...

https://www.amazon.com/Reliefband-Motion-Sickness-Wristband-Easy/product-reviews/B00PG4NUOS

Good read, I use Stugeron (cinnarizine). I tried it once in South Africa and was blown away. Not drowsy, fantastic. So I bought a bunch and brought it home.

Be careful with that stuff... its been known to chemically induce Parkinson's.  Similar warnings could be given to most of the anti-emetics that arent mainstream (Dramamine, Bonine, etc) with a huge patient population.  Even scopolamine carries pretty significant risk in the case of over-exposure - see "Devil's Breath" by Vice - https://video.vice.com/en_us/video/worlds-scariest-drug-colombian-devil39s-breath-part-1/55ef5be749b3d5591cf227c4. 

While I understand very well how one can wish for death when seasick, and the downstream risks to health may seem worth it as an alternative, if you are an avid fisherman constantly popping these things, its worth it to do a bit of research on the long-term exposure risks of these compounds.  A lot of them were developed way back in the post-WWII time frame when there was way less known about their mode of action and way less oversight by the FDA and other agencies.   

Thanks for the article btw - good read for sure.