Kayak Wars

KW does not have a forum anymore...and I think there are some legitimate issues being stated. I feel it is good to talk them through amongst each other and try to come to an understanding. KW does make things kinda difficult by not having a clear set of rules, ie the hybrid thing and whether or not u can take pics of fish u cant keep... We could try to put some effort into getting the rules changed, or at least get them worded better? It would only take them a few minutes to clarify both those issues and end some of the problems. As for duplicate posts, sometimes accidents happen, sometimes people try to cheat. I would love to see the changes made so that some more of you would play in the tournament. It is a fun way to log catches and also challenge yourself to catch new species! You don't have to shoot for the top, there are just some of us who are very competitive people by nature and aim for the #1 position in everything we do in life, and as they say "birds of a feather flock together". So yes we have created a team that may be hard to beat, but not impossible by any means. Despite our best efforts team Bridgeport still layed the smack down on freshwater last year.   
I will post on the KW facebook page tonight asking for clarification in the rules, it might help make a difference if ya'll who are on FB chime in also. And those who are not playing because of the rules please let your opinion be heard by KW admin also, maybe we can make the change!
So those reading the thread don't be put off by the "shananigins", there are just a few kinks in the system that need to be worked/talked out and we can all go back to doing what we all love to do, floating around on a big piece of plastic catching fish...or in my case lately having fun trying!

Kevin,

I love your attitude dude!!!

Hope you make it down to monterey to fish and/or dive this year!

 

Sincerely,

Jim

excellent post. Thanks

Aaron

PS - take me cutthroat fishing?

The problem is we @ NCKA hold ourselves to high standards. Not everybody with a fishin pole shares our beliefs. Some do; some don't. And that's ok. To each their own...as long as it's within the regulations.
 
Kayak Wars is a good idea/concept. But the execution is poor. It's like hunting for bears with a slingshot...wait, that's not a good example haha. Let me rephrase: it's like they have this grand idea but don't spend enough time planning.   

I specificaly asked Oz about the hybrid bass. They are talking about stripers not black bass. For hybridized smallies we have to use our best judgement whether to post as smb or black bass/ other. But don't post any black bass in the hybrid category. If you're not sure just post them as bass/other.

Good luck to everyone this year. KW is what you make of it.

Guess I shouldn't post a steelhead as a trout either Lol!!!

Well there is already a comment on the KW FB page regarding photographing fish you cant keep, no reply from KW yet though. I added to it asking for clarification on the whole hybrid thing and to look into any duplicate submissions in our division. Things seem to move quite slowly around there so well see if there is any response or actions taken.

Any other problems???   

Seachumm- if you were talking to me about cutt fishing Id love to hit it up with you sometime. THough I don't know how much im going to target them this year, kind of a long drive. Ill post up a slideshow I just made though to motivate you and other folks to go hunt some!

Guess I shouldn't post a steelhead as a trout either Lol!!!

It is a trout. Same exact species from what I have been told.

Oops. I thought carries were open now.

Hey Derrick,
     You might want to talk to Ryan. He posted the same fish 4 times. That is not cool at all. That is a pretty blatant foul. And Eric posted a few spots as Bass other and a few more as hybrids. Hybrids are Wipers in KW. You guys do what you want to. We will still win.

Did I miss something?
Where does it say that a hybrid has to be a wiper?
Isn't a hybrid formed when two species mix?
The spots in the San Jaquin have cross bred with the now nearly nonexistent smallmouth ... Isn't that considered a hybrid?
If you think I am incorrect, just send me a message and if I'm wrong I will be glad to correct it.

Eric, I just looked at your fish posted on KW as hybrids. Those are spotted bass & should be posted as bass/other.

Derrick, I'm hoping an apology is forthcoming for your incorrect statements suggesting any of TEAM NCKA entries were out of line & the creation of this bullshit thread. As Hobie Pro Staff I expect you to conduct yourself like a pro & not a punk. Any future problems you may perceive with any of TEAM NCKA's entries please contact the KW tourney people instead of creating a thread here on NCKA. You've been warned. jim

Warned?

damn. I like most of you guys. Everyone, please take a step back.  I don't have a dog in this fight so, If I may:

I don't think there is anything illegal about taking pictures of canaries, either in oregon or in California. Same with maxillary clipped cohos. There is also nothing in the kw rules about posting out of season or zero take fish. There are laws against targeting those fish, and all regs have to be followed, but rockfish are open in Oregon right now.

Posting out of season or zero take fish understandably raises questions for some people. It's a matter of ethics, and it's easy to see reasonable minds differ on the correct solution. Its closer than either side cares to admit, just like most hot button ethics topics, fishing or otherwise.

Having a hobie pro staff member bring up ethics questions doesn't warant threats. My guess is that Derrick hasn't completely thought it through.  That's what civil discussion is all about though. Rob engaging in a dick measuring contest right away certainly doesn't invite civil discourse, but that's pretty standard wintertime fare around here.

Honestly nothing in this thread surprised me or offended my sensibilities until Jim made a threat. I think you guys should calm down. Nobody did anything wrong, and given the different standards of kw and NCKA/ccka regarding posting fish, the thread is pretty far from bullshit.

Hugs?

I think there is a little jealousy on one side and a little undue offense on the other; but nothing worth calling names over (especially "punk" which resides right up there with "bitch" and when offered face to face deserves a smart rap on the beard).

Despite offensive overtones,  Derrick does bring up a valid point about photographing protected fish. The regulations do state that these fish must be returned immediately. Though unlikely, a warden could make a problem for you and potentially an even bigger problem for KW if you are caught handling a protected species once it's unhooked and photographed on a measuring board instead of being returned directly to the water.

If anything,  you guys should work together to get a concise set of rules set up for the KW game.

 I agree with all of what you're saying guys. but the right thing to do would have been to contact the Kayak Wars tournament directors.

and as it turns out Derrick was wrong about everything he posted. and when I say warned I mean I would like to engage in my fishing without guys like Derek starting threads picking apart my entries online. treat our team like that and we will do the same to yours

I didn't claim to be right Jim this thread was started because i had questions about how the game works.  Leave the name calling and insults at the play ground an be a civil adult. I see nothing wrong with anything i said other then maybe the fact i stated "we should quit our jobs an post no take fish" if that offended any one my bad im sorry. As for an attack because i raise question not initially pointing out any one person seems like youre protecting something done you know is wrong but hey those are youre demons and my accusations.  if you personally feel its morally ok to further stress fish out of season with a no take/target law in effect then hey by all means do what you want.

Im done with this thread. Sad when people cant even ask a question anymore with out some one blowing up. Go ahead and delete it mods its in a downward spiral about to ignite again

Well i guess you said sorry in there somewhere. No one took pics this year of any illegal/no take fish. Guess you missed the whole Oregon thread. As for your statement that I've personally done something wrong, well my conscience is crystal clear. I don't feel the need to start these kinds of threads......I just fish.

He said it was out of season himself just say

He said it was out of season himself just say

It's out of season only by a formality of the law being set.  It will be legal to take probably next month.
Jan. 9, 2015

SALEM, Ore. -- The Oregon Fish and Wildlife Commission met today and set the 2015 harvest specifications and season structures for recreational and commercial groundfish that include significant changes to the composition of the seven fish daily bag limit for marine fish.

For the first time since 2004, anglers will be able to retain one canary rockfish as part of the daily bag limit beginning as early as March, thanks to on-going efforts to rebuild the stock. The exact date for the new rule will be announced following approval of a parallel federal harvest rule.

However, due to a decrease in federally determined harvest guidelines, anglers will be limited to three blue rockfish per day as part of the seven fish marine bag limit and the retention of China, copper and quillback rockfish will be prohibited. These regulations go into effect Jan. 15, 2015. ODFW staff had proposed a blue rockfish sub-limit of one per day, but after public testimony the Commission adopted a less-conservative limit of three blue rockfish per day.

The commercial nearshore fishery, which targets these same species, will see increased harvest limits for black rockfish and reduced limits for blue and other nearshore rockfish.

I'm still not sure what I did wrong when there have been plenty of canary pics posted here.   I saw the canary on my ff and decided to target it.  I'm testing some beta software from Lowrance that is able to identify the rockfish species and labels it on my ff screen.  It was one of the only rockfish that appeared on my screen all day so I tried to catch and see if the software labeled the fish correctly.