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Topic: Farmed Salmon Killing Wild Fish  (Read 873 times)

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Alcim11

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I don't know if anyone spotted this yet, but it is important and scary.  You can't mess with mother nature and not have consequences.  Wild fish are perfect and need to be maintained.
http://planetsave.com/2014/11/20/killing-bcs-wild-salmon/
http://salmonconfidential.ca/watch-salmon-confidential-documentary/


DG

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It's always something. 

We bought farm raised salmon once and my daughter got sick.  Apparently the dye they used to make their meat colored can make some sick. 

Never again. 
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Elkhornsun

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Biggest culprit in the USA is the potato farmers that are taking all the water from the rivers and streams and then dumping fertilizer and pesticides and herbicides. Salmon populations are still healthy in Alaska where there is no ag activity.


Malibu_Two

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This is old news about farmed salmon, but still very relevant. Definitely something to avoid, for environmental and health reasons.

Biggest culprit in the USA is the potato farmers that are taking all the water from the rivers and streams and then dumping fertilizer and pesticides and herbicides. Salmon populations are still healthy in Alaska where there is no ag activity.

Another big culprit is alfalfa, used for cattle feed. It's a water-intensive, low-value crop, that's compromising our salmon. Maybe if everyone cut back on beef...
May the fish be mighty and the seas be meek...


Mr.Matt

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Biggest problem, too many humans.
Matt


CatchMO

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How about all the" boutique wineries" put up for the amusement of the owners who have had illustrious careers bilking the American public out of their hard earned and now need another pursuit. Many of these new" gentlemen farmers" cut their teeth in finance.  Really, do we need more wineries?
And don't get me started on rice.


polepole

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Biggest culprit in the USA is the potato farmers that are taking all the water from the rivers and streams and then dumping fertilizer and pesticides and herbicides. Salmon populations are still healthy in Alaska where there is no ag activity.

Not entirely true.  There are quite a few depressed runs in Alaska, the Kenai comes to mind.  Harvest does take its toll.  And in the lower 48, projects that have controlled the natural flow of rivers (flood control, dikes, dams, culverts, etc.) have reduced spawning gravel to a fraction of its former self.

-Allen


SeaWeed

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How about all the" boutique wineries" put up for the amusement of the owners who have had illustrious careers bilking the American public out of their hard earned and now need another pursuit. Many of these new" gentlemen farmers" cut their teeth in finance.  Really, do we need more wineries?
And don't get me started on rice.

A lot of those guys here in Paso Robles whom financed the farm lost it all. It wasn't a good move for those who did not understand farming. I watched this first hand when the grape prices took a big dump. It isn't a good investment to do this to make money. We have 700 vines we just put in for our personal use and fun,nothing more. Now here is a link to the documentary they talk on in the article. 
http://www.salmonconfidential.ca/watch-salmon-confidential-documentary/
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SeaWeed

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This is old news about farmed salmon, but still very relevant. Definitely something to avoid, for environmental and health reasons.

Biggest culprit in the USA is the potato farmers that are taking all the water from the rivers and streams and then dumping fertilizer and pesticides and herbicides. Salmon populations are still healthy in Alaska where there is no ag activity.

Another big culprit is alfalfa, used for cattle feed. It's a water-intensive, low-value crop, that's compromising our salmon. Maybe if everyone cut back on beef...

You want to go there also cattle horse and human waste ( do you shit in the woods ) all take it's toll. Here Pidgins on the pier, were so bad it made the surf water polluted and not safe. So where do you draw the line. Everything you do has a counter effect, you know for every action there is a reaction. That theory is not just in physics.   
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Ricthestick

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I drive truck for a living. I took a load of what looked like a heavy corn meal up to one of the farm raised salmon farms in St. Stevens New Brunswick..This company has a farm here and in Vancouver BC. They took this stuff and with other feed and make it into pellets to take out to the pens that hold the salmon. I picked this stuff up at a chicken processing plant. It was ground up feathers and blood with other stuff (my paper work said so). If you have been to a trout farm you will notice that the flesh is white or pale looking. A native trout or salmon are pink to redish in color. This is why when u buying farm raised salmon it sez color added, to make it look like a normal salmon.  You wont catch me eating this farm raised stuff.  ( hope i didn't make your tummy feel weird)


mickfish

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Not all Farm raised Salmon is bad and not all Wild is a good choice. We need farm raised to keep from wiping out the wild fish. Imagine the drain on wild if there was no farm raised Salmon. We just need to do it better.  http://www.seachoice.org/fish/freshwater-salmon/
« Last Edit: December 07, 2014, 06:37:34 PM by mickfish »
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Dale L

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I drive truck for a living. I took a load of what looked like a heavy corn meal up to one of the farm raised salmon farms in St. Stevens New Brunswick..This company has a farm here and in Vancouver BC. They took this stuff and with other feed and make it into pellets to take out to the pens that hold the salmon. I picked this stuff up at a chicken processing plant. It was ground up feathers and blood with other stuff (my paper work said so). If you have been to a trout farm you will notice that the flesh is white or pale looking. A native trout or salmon are pink to redish in color. This is why when u buying farm raised salmon it sez color added, to make it look like a normal salmon.  You wont catch me eating this farm raised stuff.  ( hope i didn't make your tummy feel weird)

Well, now I know where chicken scraps go, didn't they outlaw feeding it back to the chickens some years ago, or was that beef and the mad cow?  Anyhow, protein, is protein, (especially if it's sterilized (like chicken nuggets)) I guess it might somewhat reduce amount of the baitfish they take as feed. 

I guess bottom line unless you produce all your own food, ya just don't want to know,

And yes, every action, even with the best intentions has consequences,

I might buy farmed fish if I had good info on it, but the basic commercial grade stuff, nope.

My mind's just ramblin as I wait to go to the airport to pick up the GF.

 


ravensblack

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Buy fresh sockeye when it's available. Buy things to eat that are local and in season.  Don't buy farm raised salmon at all. In B.C. It's known that wild salmon fry that swim through the salmon pens pick up parasites.
"I always entertain great hope" Robert Frost


Malibu_Two

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This is old news about farmed salmon, but still very relevant. Definitely something to avoid, for environmental and health reasons.

Biggest culprit in the USA is the potato farmers that are taking all the water from the rivers and streams and then dumping fertilizer and pesticides and herbicides. Salmon populations are still healthy in Alaska where there is no ag activity.

Another big culprit is alfalfa, used for cattle feed. It's a water-intensive, low-value crop, that's compromising our salmon. Maybe if everyone cut back on beef...

You want to go there also cattle horse and human waste ( do you shit in the woods ) all take it's toll. Here Pidgins on the pier, were so bad it made the surf water polluted and not safe. So where do you draw the line. Everything you do has a counter effect, you know for every action there is a reaction. That theory is not just in physics.

Not sure I understand everything you said. Grammar and punctuation go a long way.
Pigeons crapping on piers is not a factor in our water shortage. And neither are people crapping in the woods. Cattle waste...yes. You reenforced my point. Cattle. Cows. Beef. There are too many people on the planet for all of us to eat and do whatever we want, whenever we want, without consequences. Everything has a cost and a carbon footprint. It takes roughly 2000 gallons of water to produce a pound of beef. Meat-eating is significant, whether we like it or not.
May the fish be mighty and the seas be meek...


SeaWeed

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I have ate my last farm raised Salmon. If you haven't watched the documentary, you really should. Especially if you eat sushi made from farmed Salmon. I'll post link again. Because I'm wondering if this can make it down the coast.
 
http://www.salmonconfidential.ca/watch-salmon-confidential-documentary/
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