Ticketed at Doran last friday

When he was going to write the ticket he asked for my drivers license, at which time I replied that it too was in my wallet on shore, so he asked for name address and DOB, and called it into dispatch, and sure enought they came back with my ht, wt, DL number and everything else, so why they can't call into DFG and do the same thing, and see that I bought it back in feb 2014 is beyond me?!?!?

He called your DL in to run you for warrants. Different system then the fish n game system. It should be as easy and the same thing. Especially for how much money we all spend on license.

Sometimes I wish we as sportsman would boycott te state all on year and not purchase licenses. Probably would t change anything anyways. California is a mess.

Ok here's my understanding...

I buy my annul license via the CA DFG website vs a retail outlet or baitshop..

I am able to printout. Temporary license which is good til my actual license arrives in the mail days later...
The main point though is that I am assigned a Go ID number which is tracked by my CA drivers license..
I copy this number onto my phone in the event I forget both my fishing license and wallet..

I had asked a warden last time I was checked about  the scenario in which I didn't have a license but furnished my  Go ID or DL...the reply I got back was yes it would suffice, however, it would be up to the LEO's prerogative on whether he wanted to go thru the exercise of calling in for the data base check..

Either way, I buy my license online purely so that I am in their system, which is not always the case if you buy via  retail store, especially a small operator.

Hope you get a favorable outcome.
Dave

Ok here's my understanding...

I buy my annul license via the CA DFG website vs a retail outlet or baitshop..

I am able to printout. Temporary license which is good til my actual license arrives in the mail days later...
The main point though is that I am assigned a Go ID number which is tracked by my CA drivers license..
I copy this number onto my phone in the event I forget both my fishing license and wallet..

I had asked a warden last time I was checked about  the scenario in which I didn't have a license but furnished my  Go ID or DL...the reply I got back was yes it would suffice, however, it would be up to the LEO's prerogative on whether he wanted to go thru the exercise of calling in for the data base check..

Either way, I buy my license online purely so that I am in their system, which is not always the case if you buy via  retail store, especially a small operator.

Hope you get a favorable outcome.
Dave

I am sure when they went electronic everyone that has bought a fishing license is in their system no matter where they purchase it.  That's why when I go to any store that links to their system I can get a new license, duplicate or tags. 

This is an interesting thread,

On a previous thread concerning ab regs, most people had no leniency for anyone who didn't follow the letter of the law, saying how simple and straightforward the regs were. 

Now here, with straightforward regs, we somehow expect it to be the states responsibility to check their database (from the field) and not give the guy a ticket.

Hey, I really hope if you just show up in court with your license it won't cost you a dime.  And with my memory and leaving stuff in the wrong place I can see this happening to me.

And I'd really appreciate it if a Warden took the time to look me up in their system and let me off, but I'm not gonna expect it or call it BS because they didn't.

BS ticket got stopped by DFG in Monterey last weekend and he was really friendly once we showed our licenses. Even asked about fishing and turned out he knew my dads buddy who was a DFG officer elsewhere. Nice guys, hope you can get your ticket reduced or dismissed!

This is an interesting thread,

On a previous thread concerning ab regs, most people had no leniency for anyone who didn't follow the letter of the law, saying how simple and straightforward the regs were. 

Now here, with straightforward regs, we somehow expect it to be the states responsibility to check their database (from the field) and not give the guy a ticket.

Hey, I really hope if you just show up in court with your license it won't cost you a dime.  And with my memory and leaving stuff in the wrong place I can see this happening to me.

And I'd really appreciate it if a Warden took the time to look me up in their system and let me off, but I'm not gonna expect it or call it BS because they didn't.

  I agree with you 100% Dale why do we have a double standard here ? If anything we should hold our members more accountable.

It isn't the same and it has nothing to do with any kind of violation other than not having a license in possession.  There is no mistagging, there is no overlimit, there is no protected species, or any other violation that takes away anything from anyone.  If everyone left their license home tomorrow and had a copy of it on their phone or it was linked in Sacramento to your dirver's license or ID card, no harm would come to anyone.  No one is being deprived of a fishing opportunity, no identified species is being impacted, and it doesn't make law enforcement's job any harder than it otherwise would be if someone was in possession of a paper license.

Failing to fill out a tag on an abalone could lead to someone taking over their annual limit and creates a gap in the data collected and analyzed by dfw for legitimate purposes.

So, I'll ask:

The harm to society created by someone not carrying their properly purchased and valid license on their person is _______________________?

This is an interesting thread,

On a previous thread concerning ab regs, most people had no leniency for anyone who didn't follow the letter of the law, saying how simple and straightforward the regs were. 

Now here, with straightforward regs, we somehow expect it to be the states responsibility to check their database (from the field) and not give the guy a ticket.

Hey, I really hope if you just show up in court with your license it won't cost you a dime.  And with my memory and leaving stuff in the wrong place I can see this happening to me.

And I'd really appreciate it if a Warden took the time to look me up in their system and let me off, but I'm not gonna expect it or call it BS because they didn't.

Should I be punished for being human?
So someone made an honest mistake.
It's not like they intentionally broke the law, got caught, then admitted they "made a mistake".
They followed the law, bought their license and followed the rules set forth but DFG in their bag limit, fishing tackle, fishing hours, etc.
With everyday life: wife, kids, work, money, schedules, and all the gear, gas, time off work, traffic, and everything else there is...so the license is in the car by accident and not in my pocket......BFD! I'm not trying to circumvent the law. Shit happens and I ...no one...can remember EVERYTHING.
If you happen to be the one person in this world who never, ever, forgot ANYTHING..please step forward.
To be cited for simply forgetting something when the proof can be so easily rectified is, IMO, criminal in and of itself!

I`m not very good at these type of debates so i try and do my  best to explain what I mean....is it ticky tack ? probably ..B`.S. ticket ? more than likely...and it`s probably not going to get anyone landed on Americas most wanted.....but..Like i said .... just maybe...maybe.. for every honest person out there making a legitimate mistake like forgetting to carry their license..i`d bet there`s just as many not ,trying to screw the "system'' .... could have the DFW warden used better discretion? could be a zero tolerance with the DFW.. who knows... but if the word gets out that their getting tough in ca ..might be it`s good thing and discourage those who don't want to play be the rules...that`s the effed up thing about peeps effn the rules sometimes the innocent and well meaning get caught up in it...isn't that why  we have courts ,he going to get his day  hopefully with a favorable outcome for him..anywaythanks for sharing your thoughts and ideas and thanks for letting me get my mine out ,  VK ...... my brain hurts now.....

I thought you were articulate and I understood why you said what you said.  FOllow the rules or pay the consequences.  I don't have a problem with that.  I'm advocating for a change in the rule.  Its related but different.  I agree with you that rules should be followed.  Its not inconsistent to thik the law is BS and that it should be changed.

I think this rule once had its place, but it does not any longer.  It is a relic of an earlier time.  I can scan my phone at starbucks and pay for my coffee, and it isn't the only way that I can pay for my coffee - I have lots of choices, only one of which involves me giving paper to the gal pouring my cup.  I should be able to do the same thing with my fishing license.

It isn't the same and it has nothing to do with any kind of violation other than not having a license in possession.  There is no mistagging, there is no overlimit, there is no protected species, or any other violation that takes away anything from anyone.  If everyone left their license home tomorrow and had a copy of it on their phone or it was linked in Sacramento to your dirver's license or ID card, no harm would come to anyone.  No one is being deprived of a fishing opportunity, no identified species is being impacted, and it doesn't make law enforcement's job any harder than it otherwise would be if someone was in possession of a paper license.

Failing to fill out a tag on an abalone could lead to someone taking over their annual limit and creates a gap in the data collected and analyzed by dfw for legitimate purposes.

So, I'll ask:

The harm to society created by someone not carrying their properly purchased and valid license on their person is _______________________?

I figured someone would quickly make this comparison.  And I agree that the harm from forgetting your license doesn't equate to Possible Poaching etc.  BUT IMO that other thread quickly switched from the actual situation of the guys at TC to just the idea of how easy the ab regs are to follow and that there should be no issue with and an expectation of  properly following the reg.  But here still we want the Warden to take some action to alleviate a person's possible infraction because they didn't follow a different VERY EASY to follow reg.  I'm not trying to compare the 2 possible infractions as to harm,

Labor Day 2007 I got a ticket for not tagging my abs while in a kayak (not required now til you get to shore). I just plain forgot, After the dive we started fishing without going to shore first, filling out the tags just slipped my mind.  The abs were in plain site in the tank well.  The Warden (in an inflatable) who looks like the same one in the TC post Pic, said he could see I wasn't trying to do anything illegal intentionally but that he just "couldn't" let me slide.  I was pissed, at myself, for forgetting to do my paperwork, not the Warden for dong his job, an expensive lesson.   The "charge" was dismissed after I made a $250 donation to SCAN but that's a whole 'nother story.

This pic was taken from the bow of my boat near Spooner's Cove at Montana de Oro State Park in San Luis Obispo County on November 18, 2014.



The C Fn'G guys were very polite and cordial as they checked our credentials and our catch. They also gave us a report of what they had seen earlier in their rounds in terms of fish quotas and locations from that morning. We were all in compliance and none of us were cited.

Walked home with this catch;


best,

I Zod Out

  I made a big boo boo for the crab opener last month on a PB. I forgot to make sure my license was in my wallet for the crab opener. It was in my PFD at home. I couldn't find find it for the fish cop at the Scott Peterson ramp (Berkeley). He looked me in the eye and asked if I had one. Pulled out his smart phone and found I wasn't bs'ing. I think he was happy to let me go. He said it was a waste of time to cite me, for him and the courts. I wanted my 10 crab way more than he did.
  I wanted to see him the following weekend to tell him I found it (he had told me it's $10 to get a reprint at Big 5). But he wasn't there.
  We could have had another disaster that day he wasn't there. We were almost back to Berkeley with our 40 crab all sorted and legal. Then my buddy spotted an extra bucket of crab on our deck under the pots. When we were pulling out the jumbos and tossing the small ones we forgot about that bucket. We tossed them in the bay. If he didn't spot that bucket and the cop was there. What would the fine be?  There was a dozen or so keepers in it.

Welcome to California you should know by now it doesn't have anything to do with right or wrong its all about the money. I always wonder why ticket is $25 but after court cost and fees its 180 to 600? Just another way to jack money out of you.

Totally agree.  I'd be willing to bet there is a bean counter out there that has thought about how much they would loose in revenue if they could check digitally if someone has a license or not.  Why would they want to loose the revenue on the reprints and tickets? 

fishing w my kids in a kids fishing derby in a pond
bell rang, my kids ran to weigh in the 2 fish they caught
their mickey mouse  poles were still in the water and I got a ticket for reeling in their line by one of the six wardens behind me and my license was home on the dining table
ticket was 750...when I brought the license to court they reduced it to $450 for not wearing it
Still refused to pay as I had a legit fishin license, hunting license, and pig tags that year and paid a lot
Asked for a trial and got it, asked for a public defender and judge said they cannot be used for misdemeanors..she volunteered her services
 after three appearances in court, they dismissed the charges
but judge asked me to pay $200 in public defender fees
I objected as she volunteered but paid then sued them back for the $200 and the  4 hrs time I took off work to go to court and won.

Was more work going to court and cheaper to pay fine but worth it
Stand up for what you beleive in and
good luck with your case , tommy

Some one who wrote it is totally about revenue is right. Harassing a legal fisherman for making a minor mistake is plain wrong.

Writing a citation because you have your license in your car and not on your person is such a minor infraction and why? Would the warden want to see it if you dumped and it looks like a wet rag? Let me tell you from experience, it does  and I carry it in a plastic bag in my seat or even in the hull.

I have left it in my car on several occasion because I'm human but never have been caught or approached by a warden. Now in Texas the places I go are so dang remote I never do see a Law enforcement officer.