anchor vs drift sock or other??

oh  and if you want an anchor you could use mine...came with my first fish and dive and never had the guts to try it in the swell and wind it would be foolish..even in calm water...what if something hit the line...no thanks

drift sock= PB imo

find my spot ....paddle past a good ways for f.o.w that the jig will drop...rod between legs..open and free falling...watching the tip for strikes...watch my line and paddle to match angle...repeat...repeat...my solution so far after two seasons of mostly windy days

..another new guy with balls to tell you shut up...

You mean another new guy totally disregarding ocean kayak safety suggestions from more experienced ocean kayak fisherman?

Yeah, WTG! 

you guys got some fresh meat..another new guy with balls to tell you shut up...everyone pile...take your turns kicking and p.m each other...get em OG's

I don't take offense to the points he was making.  Some of that info was actually good.

It's the last paragraph, in which he tries to make the point at the expense of others points.  Not necessary and not cool.

-Allen

I did not see anything nasty-was not reading close I guess, so my joking may be taken as me taking sides...
personally I dont take offense much , everyone is full of it most days...including me...more than others

I have seen my share of what the guy might have been trying to say though, in  my life....just cause a dude has been doing the task the same way for his whole career ,dont for a second think that some brand new kid -half as smart-could see it from a different angle and do away with the old tried and true method ,quicker ,faster,better way to do it
of course the old guy will never admit it....stupid kid...he's fired

I did not see anything nasty-was not reading close I guess, so my joking may be taken as me taking sides...
personally I dont take offense much , everyone is full of it most days...including me...more than others

I have seen my share of what the guy might have been trying to say though, in  my life....just cause a dude has been doing the task the same way for his whole career ,dont for a second think that some brand new kid -half as smart-could see it from a different angle and do away with the old tried and true method ,quicker ,faster,better way to do it
of course the old guy will never admit it....stupid kid...he's fired

But that's the point.  Many of the guys chiming in have BTDT.  It's not a different, unknown angle to them.  They tried it and for them, it wasn't something they would choose to do again.  Please understand the the majority of advice given here it to the conservative end of the spectrum.  But that also means there are exceptions.  Elkhornsun listed some exceptions.  He could have left it at that and the response may have been, "good points".  Or he could end it like he did and get a different response ...

And yes, you are full of it!   

-Allen

There always are, and will be, situations where 'anchoring up' is acceptable for that particular situation, at that particular time/location.  As a general rule, for our waters, anchoring up in a kayak is less practical/safe than other methods listed.  I too have BTDT and still have the anchor set up to prove it.  I, myself, do carry a small drift sock designed for kayak use, in my AI to aide with drift direction of the yak and emergency situations more than anything.  Anchoring in a boat can be just as unsafe as in a kayak.  I hear of boats sinking while anchored almost yearly due to a wind/swell/wave, etc...

I myself will repeat things I learned during year 1 because some worked.  "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" sometimes applies.  If something new comes around and sounds promising ... i might give it a try.  One can grow with the sport w/o making changes IMHO.  The basics will most always stay the basics and the little details will evolve as one sees fit.

My problem with anchoring in the ocean on reefs was that I often didn't get the anchor back.  It'd get hung up in the rocks.  I found tying on kelp much easier--if I actually wanted to anchor up at all, which was rarely.

Drift socks are okay, but just a lot more junk in the boat, and I hate stuff in the boat.  I'm always trying to figure out how to have less stuff in the boat.

The paddle over, drift back method is what I've come to rely on much more than anything else.  It's easy--which, is why I've done it 19 out of 20 times 

on this drift topic...I would love to hear some ideas about full size nets how folks deal with the added drift...sail effect...I have figured having it over my right shoulder/behind me or in front of me in the front holder driver side mirror position ...seems to have me fighting less....I tried to use the floaty taped up net as a drift sock and to get it out of my sail and way...but it pretty hard to draw out of the water quick enough to not take my attention off my line and fighting fish....almost like a bellows coming up from hanging....not jack the thread...but drift sock/large net/drifting type subject related

   If the drift sock line is giving you big jolting tugs, replace some or all of the line with some bungee cord.  Put a float on the line so you can retrieve it after you let it go when a WSB starts to tow you.  Tie the line to the yak with a slip knot.
   Also, my IKEA-bag drift chute works better than the cloth one I bought before I thought of it, rolls up into a smaller package, weighs less when wet, and carries the catch to the car better.
   

My experience on the water has included the use of a kayak for spear fishing, ab diving, and underwater photography for the past 26 years from Morro Bay to Trinidad Bay. My offshore experience includes sailboat deliveries from the USA to the Caribbean with the average delivery taking 14 days offshore in the ocean and hundreds of miles from land and this was before GPS and with VHF having a 25 mile range one had to be 100% self-sufficient. No chance of calling 911 and getting rescued if there was a problem.

What I have a problem with is someone making a flat out statement of opinion as though it was an obvious truth and implied that no one in their right mind would question the wisdom and veracity of their opinion, like it is foolish to use an anchor with a kayak while fishing.

There is a world outside of Northern California and in many areas an anchor is commonly used while fishing from a kayak. I do not take the attitude that if something originates elsewhere on the east coast or Australia or the UK that it has no application in California as our waters are special and unlike those anywhere else in the world.

The current issue of Kayak Angler magazine arrived in my mailbox this week and there is a Reader Tip on page 36 that references the use of an "anchor lime system that is safe and effective" used by the people in the Just Kayak Fishing club of Cape Town, South Africa. But what do these people know or the people at Kayak Angler. Guess they are too inexperienced and ignorant to know that they are risking life and limb.

I know many people that have been diving and boating and sailing and fishing and driving their cars for decades. I do not associate how long they have been doing something with the breadth or depth of their knowledgeable though they may think that their experience is the same as expertise. When anyone makes blanket statements that treat any subject as black or white I know it is best to ignore their advice and seek the information I need elsewhere from people who are not so full of themselves.

Quoting the original post.

Just curious what system you guys have that works best for you. Fished pigeon point today and current/wind made it hard to fish over found good structure.I have trolley already just not installed yet.
Like sound of anchor cause if good reef found with drift can just throw anchor and fish right over area.

Just curious what system you guys have that works best for you. Fished pigeon point today and current/wind made it hard to fish over found good structure.

My quote addressing the wind issue.

Drift chute if it's that windy. which most people won't go out in anyway;

I stand by this statement. I've used drift chutes several times in the past and IMO it's a pain and not worth the effort. AND if it's windy enough to warrant the use of a drift chute most kayakers don't go out.
Take a poll if you're not convinced.

Like sound of anchor cause if good reef found with drift can just throw anchor and fish right over area.

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My quote addressing the anchor statement.

Forget fishing with an anchor in the ocean. It's an accident waiting to happen.

In the context of the original post I stand by this statement as well.
If the drift is so fast that someone wants to anchor up to fish a reef first they have to drop the anchor just right in order to be directly over the reef. How deep is he water and how high does the reef rise from the sea floor?
If he was in 60FOW and the reef is at 30FOW with a fast drift it will take 2-3 times rope length to depth or 120-180 feet of rope (dropping in 60FOW to be over the 30ft reef)
Now if it's that windy there will be wind sweel as well as the usual swells. This means your kayak will be moving several yards side to side, not guaranteeing you will actually be over the reef at all times. This also takes into account that you made a perfect drop of your anchor the first time.
Now you have to pull the anchor up. Wind swell, normal swell, fast drift...lets hope the anchor comes loose the first time.
And do not forget to rewind that 120'180 feet of rope you just pulled in. Don't want a tangled mess on deck in case you flip. Remember, the conditions are less than ideal.
How heavy is that anchor anyway?
How many times do you plan on doing this in a day?

current/wind made it hard to fish over found good structure.

My response again to the original post.

or get a Hobie and hold yourself over structure while you pedal.

I stand by this statement as well.
Most people who kayak fish actually own a kayak believe it or not.
And many upgrade from their first kayak or get a second kayak.
Take a poll if you don't believe me.
Making a suggestion of a type of kayak that will accomplish exactly what he is trying to accomplish is solid advice.
It's something that may not have been considered before and may be food for thought in a future kayak.

There are a ton of people I like and don't get nearly enough time to spend with them.
Normally I'd let your panties remain in a bunch and not waste my time.
But it's hot, I just got back from diving, and I needed a break from putting my gear away to cool down.
I won't be wasting any more of my time on this thread.
It'll be spent on my friends.

When used properly, an anchor can be very effective in holding your boat in place. The old rule of thumb for scope is 6:1. That means using six times the amount of anchor rode as your depth. The problem a kayaker faces when using an anchor is carrying enough rode to provide sufficient scope. The depth limit for RGC at the north side of Pigeon Point is 180', and at the south side it is 240'. That means you would need to carry at least 1440' of rode if you want to safely anchor all around Pigeon Point. That is a lot of bulk to carry on a small kayak.

The area around Pigeon Point is sandy with scattered reefs. So using a 6:1 scope, you could be fishing a quarter mile from where you dropped your anchor. Not ideal for fishing a particular reef. You could get away with less scope so you could fish where you dropped your anchor, but that means large swells could pull your anchor off the bottom. Not ideal. Or worse yet, the large swells could drag your kayak under. Also not ideal.

The wind at Pigeon Point tend to be from the northwest, and the current tend to be going south. So a drift sock will not slow your drift there most of the time. You just have to keep an eye on the weather forecast and pick your days to go out.

There is a group of guys here that fish SMC every week, except for now when we all have salmonitis, a highly communicable disease rapidly spread by reading fishing reports.  You are more than welcome to join us once the chrome bite dies, and we resume fishing the SMC.

What I have a problem with is someone making a flat out statement of opinion as though it was an obvious truth and implied that no one in their right mind would question the wisdom and veracity of their opinion, like it is foolish to use an anchor with a kayak while fishing.

We don't have many rules here at NCKA, but the one main one we do have is, "debate the topic, not the person".  It goes hand in hand with "no personal attacks".  What that means is that if you disagree with someone, debate what they are saying, and not their intentions.  In fact, you don't know them.  You don't really know their intentions.  And even less so in a forum over the internet.

Please keep that in mind.

-Allen

What I have a problem with is someone making a flat out statement of opinion as though it was an obvious truth and implied that no one in their right mind would question the wisdom and veracity of their opinion, like it is foolish to use an anchor with a kayak while fishing.

True. It's super frustrating when someone comes off like a stubborn know it all...with little regard for the opinions & experiences of others.
Like this guy below... oh wait, that YOU too! 
Upset that people won't take your advice seriously because you perceive they think they already know everything. When in fact, you are the one who already knows everything...as stated below. Got it.

My experience on the water has included the use of a kayak for spear fishing, ab diving, and underwater photography for the past 26 years from Morro Bay to Trinidad Bay. My offshore experience includes sailboat deliveries from the USA to the Caribbean with the average delivery taking 14 days offshore in the ocean and hundreds of miles from land and this was before GPS and with VHF having a 25 mile range one had to be 100% self-sufficient. No chance of calling 911 and getting rescued if there was a problem.
What I have a problem with is someone making a flat out statement of opinion as though it was an obvious truth and implied that no one in their right mind would question the wisdom and veracity of their opinion, like it is foolish to use an anchor with a kayak while fishing.
There is a world outside of Northern California and in many areas an anchor is commonly used while fishing from a kayak. I do not take the attitude that if something originates elsewhere on the east coast or Australia or the UK that it has no application in California as our waters are special and unlike those anywhere else in the world.
The current issue of Kayak Angler magazine arrived in my mailbox this week and there is a Reader Tip on page 36 that references the use of an "anchor lime system that is safe and effective" used by the people in the Just Kayak Fishing club of Cape Town, South Africa. But what do these people know or the people at Kayak Angler. Guess they are too inexperienced and ignorant to know that they are risking life and limb.
I know many people that have been diving and boating and sailing and fishing and driving their cars for decades. I do not associate how long they have been doing something with the breadth or depth of their knowledgeable though they may think that their experience is the same as expertise. When anyone makes blanket statements that treat any subject as black or white I know it is best to ignore their advice and seek the information I need elsewhere from people who are not so full of themselves.

If you ever go kayak fishing and write an actual report, I would be interested in hearing the details of your anchoring process. Because it did not seem practical the few times I tried it. It felt like I wasted a lot of time deploying & retrieving the anchor, and managing the rope, and it was difficult to position myself over the spot I wanted to fish. 

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