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Topic: Catch 22 in Salmon Regs  (Read 4803 times)

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Alcim11

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Just found a new wrinkle in the Salmon Regulations. 

A trick part of the regs is that once you have a  salmon on board, you can't fish with a hook which is not barbless, even for rockfish.

Here it is in writing.
2013-2014 California Ocean Sport Fishing Regulations

(2) Barbless Hooks. No more than two (2) single point, single shank barbless hooks shall be
used in the ocean north of Point Conception (34° 27’00” N. lat.) when salmon fishing or fishing from
any boat or floating device with salmon on board.
(3) Other Hook Restrictions. When fishing with bait in the ocean between Horse Mountain
(40°05’00” N. lat.) and Point Conception, if angling by any means other than trolling, then no more
than two (2) single point, single shank, barbless circle hooks shall be used. The distance between
the two hooks must not exceed five inches when measured from the top of the eye of the top hook
to the inner base of the curve of the lower hook, and both hooks must be permanently tied in place
(hard tied). A circle hook is defined as a hook with a generally circular shape, and a point which turns
inwards, pointing directly to the shank at a 90 degree angle. Trolling is defined as angling from a
boat or floating device that is making way by means of a source of power, other than drifting by
means of the prevailing water current or weather conditions. See Section 28.65(g).


krusty

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So where is the catch 22?


Alcim11

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 I didn't realize the regs changed as soon as you catch a salmon. You can legally catch lings with barbed hooks, but only if you have not caught a salmon.  As soon as you catch a salmon, all your barbed hooks become illegal and even though you legally caught your ling. You now are illegal until  you take off your barbs.


RacinRob

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So where is the catch 22?
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Wondering the same thing. That's just the rules.  Catch a salmon and don't fish with barbs after. That's pretty easy to remember. You can still have barbs on your gear, just not in the water. Been that way since salmon opened up after the closure.
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Alcim11

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New to this. It was explained differently to me.  I guess when all else fails, read the instructions.


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I guess when all else fails, read the instructions.

+1 :smt002


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In the reverse situation, when you have rockfish on board, you are not allowed to fish for salmon (or anything else) deeper than the depth limit for rockfish - here north of 40°10' in the northern management zone that is 120 feet.
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daviator

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Don't feel badly...these regs seems convoluted specially those who make a sincere effort to follow the letter of the law...

Here's the scenario that I realized from retreading the above regulation...
If I have a salmon on board....and I want to now target a ling or cab etc, then if not trolling, then I must be employing circle hooks..does that mean that bending down the lead head barb doesn't work bc it's not a circle hook?

than two (2) single point, single shank, barbless circle hooks shall be used. The distance between

Dave


krusty

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Don't feel badly...these regs seems convoluted specially those who make a sincere effort to follow the letter of the law...

Here's the scenario that I realized from retreading the above regulation...
If I have a salmon on board....and I want to now target a ling or cab etc, then if not trolling, then I must be employing circle hooks..does that mean that bending down the lead head barb doesn't work bc it's not a circle hook?

than two (2) single point, single shank, barbless circle hooks shall be used. The distance between

Dave

You got it. Barbless circle hooks only.


RacinRob

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Circle hooks only with bait. If your using a big hammer and lead head just bend the bard down. Legal then.  Same on a teaser. Just bend the barb. If you send down Squid on a hook for RCG or lings then it must be a circle hook.
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I'm sooooo confused  :smt005
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TheDudeAbides

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I'm sooooo confused  :smt005

Soon we will be in a place so laden with conflicting laws that it will be virtually impossible NOT to be in violation of something.. I was reading an article the other day where they were comparing the vast bulk of California laws (and their role in fundraising for LEO) to the corruption of Mexican cops, with the theory being that both LEO's do the same thing, they jack you for your funds, the Mexicans are just honest that it is bribery where the Cal-LEO's do it with a judge. Equal = Equal..

Well at least the last legislative session in California only drafted 632 new bills in 2012,,, so they are stopping right?? Why do we have full-time legislators again??  :smt011
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The rules for salmon and rockfish/lingcod are not very hard to figure out and follow, IMO...
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krusty

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Circle hooks only with bait. If your using a big hammer and lead head just bend the bard down. Legal then.  Same on a teaser. Just bend the barb. If you send down Squid on a hook for RCG or lings then it must be a circle hook.

Yes, barbless circle hooks only with bait, and not trolling. You can use just barbless hooks for lead heads with swimbaits.


Sailfish

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The rules for salmon and rockfish/lingcod are not very hard to figure out and follow, IMO...

Why not a single barb less, circle hook for Salmon trolling & mooching?  Wouldn't it easy for everyone to follow?
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