Define mothershipping

Got a buddy with a sailboat so thinking of sleeping on it for some delta trips or even some crabbing/ fishing trips. I plan to tie my yak to it and launch and return to it for fishing, do you consider this mothershipping?
 

Not sure about that.  Generally, I think define mothershipping is defined as "using a vessel to access the fishing grounds (with kayaks) that are too far to paddle to".
Either way, looks like you have a good thing going on there. 
Whack `em!

LOL!!

I would say...and this is just my opinion...that for AOTY/DOTY the way the rules are written now says:

2. No mothershipping allowed, the kayak must be under human powered control from launch until landing

So....if you paddle out to your buddy's boat, have dinner and sleep there and then go fishing on the yak and paddle home then you are not mothershipping since the kayak was human powered from launch until landing.

But, if you threw the yak on the boat and he motored down to the honey hole and then you paddled out to fish, that would be mothershipping.

Where's that popcorn icon?

 

 

Sincerely,

Jim

I would think that if you were attached to another vessel that was under any power, be it sail, paddle, electric or combustion, it could be defined as mothershipping.

If your buddy's sailboat was at anchor, you paddled to it, moored and re-entered your own vessel, i personally could not define that as mothershipping. To me that would be no different than stopping at a floating porta-potty or even stopping at the bank for 15 minutes to stretch your back.

The only thing I could see being an issue is the amount of time not in the boat. I am pretty sure that would need to be agreed upon if it was an issue.

Just my .02

How about the following?  It's how we further defined it for NWKA AOTY.

"Mothership" is defined as arriving by and launching from a boat. Use of a vessel(e.g. water taxi, ferry, or privately owned boat) to travel to a destination for overnight or multi-day trips is not considered mothershipping. Camping on boats is permitted and kayaks may be launched from the boat, as long as the vessel was moored overnight and the kayaks are launched from the overnight mooring location.

-Allen

So, If I take my cabin cruser out to Sherman Island or to Bullard's bar, Stay overnight and launch in the morning, that's ok? Some lakes are hard to get to the good areas and if I drive 4 hrs to get there. I'm staying for more than 1 day. Love boat camping and often bring the Yak and fish. AOTY definition is important here as I will be boat camping this summer and yak fishing from it multiple days? Would like to be able to count my fish

what about the people going to the Channel Islands ?

They could not make it from Santa Barbara to there but what if you go to Catalina Island and rent a kayak?

Thinks that make you go Hmmm.

what about the people going to the Channel Islands ?

They could not make it from Santa Barbara to there but what if you go to Catalina Island and rent a kayak?

Thinks that make you go Hmmm.

The Channel Island Trip is outside the defined NorCal region.

-Allen

Beyond that definition for the NCKA rules, when it comes to defining "Mothershipping", for kayak fishing, I'd say it's simply using another vessel, even a plane in AK, to get to the fishing grounds. 

At Kayakfishing.com, I'd accept record submissions from anglers who are taxi'd offshore as long as they put their time in OTW and didn't just drop off and hook up next to the boat.  BTW, many of you are probably kayak fishing record holders.  That page at Kayakfishing.com gets global attention every day and has generated nice press for record holders for years.  If you think you've landed a record fish with a photo and a scale weight, bring it on!

I like the direction BigJim is going with his definition.  The NWKA definition leaves too much wiggle room in my opinion, and we have been known to have a few wigglers 

I like the direction BigJim is going with his definition.  The NWKA definition leaves too much wiggle room in my opinion, and we have been known to have a few wigglers 

BigJim's definition is THE definition for NCKA AOTY, that's the wording directly from the rules.  Honestly, not enough people do any sort of mothershipping here at NCKA, so no need to crack that door open.

I was just pointing out that NWKA defines it differently.  There are reasons for this.  It's a time honored tradition in the NW to cruise out to the islands and do some boat camping.  That's not something that gets done a lot in CA.  The NWKA community didn't feel that boat camping was any different than car camping, and hence shouldn't be penalized for mothershipping.  It makes sense ... for that circumstance.  We also did formulate another rule for NWKA AOTY and that was that no fish caught on guided trips were allowed.  This put the breaks on paying or big money camping trips to far off places.  I feel it's a good balance that was struck for NWKA's AOTY.

BTW, what wiggle room do you see in the NWKA definition?

-Allen

I like the direction BigJim is going with his definition.  The NWKA definition leaves too much wiggle room in my opinion, and we have been known to have a few wigglers 

BigJim's definition is THE definition for NCKA AOTY, that's the wording directly from the rules.  Honestly, not enough people do any sort of mothershipping here at NCKA, so no need to crack that door open.

I was just pointing out that NWKA defines it differently.  There are reasons for this.  It's a time honored tradition in the NW to cruise out to the islands and do some boat camping.  That's not something that gets done a lot in CA.  The NWKA community didn't feel that boat camping was any different than car camping, and hence shouldn't be penalized for mothershipping.  It makes sense ... for that circumstance.  We also did formulate another rule for NWKA AOTY and that was that no fish caught on guided trips were allowed.  This put the breaks on paying or big money camping trips to far off places.  I feel it's a good balance that was struck for NWKA's AOTY.

BTW, what wiggle room do you see in the NWKA definition?

-Allen

I thought Jim's definition sounded familiar 

The way I read the NWKA rules I could take my uncle up on his offer to take me to some delta spots (too far to paddle) sleep on the boat then launch the next morning.  I like the way it is now because not everyone has a PB or a crazy uncle with a PB. I'm all for a level playing field.

The way I read the NWKA rules I could take my uncle up on his offer to take me to some delta spots (too far to paddle) sleep on the boat then launch the next morning.  I like the way it is now because not everyone has a PB or a crazy uncle with a PB. I'm all for a level playing field.

That's not wiggle room.  That's exactly what the NWKA wording is intended for.  Again, it gets done a lot more up there, and the NWKA AOTY committee was fine with the wording/rule.

NCKA will stay the way it is, to keep wigglers like you  from taking advantage of their crazy uncles.

-Allen

Hahahaahah I'm a crazy uncle Awesome! I've Waited a long time to carry that label

Right ON from Uncle Den!!!