Good article to reference next time you run into a greeny/PETA person

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/03/26/ING3PHRU681.DTL&hw=oatmeal&sn=002&sc=495

Bill,
That was an interesting article, only thing is I wouldnt spend that much time talking to a PETA person..

best thing is just tell them they're full of doo

I agree with Mr. Matt, I wouldn't even be talking to them.  Not to hijack this thread but I heard a guy interviewed from this group on the radio a while back and I thought it pretty much sums up the mentality.  I thought it was a joke at first but they are serious.  These guys just keep it gangsta!  VHEMT (Voluntary Human Extinction Movement)  "May we live long and die out" http://www.vhemt.org/.

I have figured out much the same thing as the well written article author documented. 

I have also largely found militant vegetarianists and many supposed environmentalists to be truely irrational.  For some, they are using one of these as tools to support their various "no change" agendas.  For others they really and truly sound to me to be delusional and are lucky to live in a society in which they can survive despite their self defeating approaches to problems.

Regardless, I value my time and sanity and so don't talk with people who have no ability to follow a logical discussion.

When I was getting my petition signatures I ran into a well heeled no-take diver who wouldn't sign it because the DFG doesn't prevent poachers from committing their illegal acts.  Ummmmmmm, since the police aren't able to prevent all rapes, uhhhhhhhh, should we prohibit all men possessing and using their naturally occurring ability to similar consensual acts?  Since he didn't seem rational I didn't pursue the discussion with him any further............

Pat

Clowns to the left of me!
Jokers to the right!
Here I am stuck in the middle with you.

becomes truer and truer everyday...

steve miller?

one thing about being in a third world place is the variety of food drops way way off.

you realize that all the food from the whole world is flown right into SF! you have your pick of it all.

it can seem obscene if you have been happy to get a fresh mango or a different vegetable for
a few months and you walk into andronicos or dragers and walk through the cheese aisle, then
the produce aisle.

It's almost impossible to realize what life without all that oil is like unless you go somewhere at least
a few hundred miles or many hours from a starbucks.

The flip side is that when the avian flu makes the jump from fowl to humans
it's getting on a plane and flying here first. so that group that Travis posts about might get their wish!

 

Posted on: Today at 07:36:50 PM
Posted by: jmairey  steve miller?

I'm sure it wasn't; I'm thinking Dylan.

gerry rafferty?

stealers wheel:

Stuck In The Middle With You

Well I don't know why I came here tonight
I've got a feelin' that somethin' ain't right
I'm so scared in case I fall off my chair
And I'm wonderin' how I'll get down the stairs
Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right
Here I am, stuck in the middle with you

Yes, I'm stuck in the middle with you
And I'm wonderin' what it is I should do
It's so hard to keep this smile from my face
Losin' control, yeah, I'm all over the place
Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right
Here I am stuck in the middle with you

Well you started off with nothin' and
You're proud that you're a self-made man, yeah
And your friends they all come crawlin'
Slap you on the back and say
Please...
Please...

Tryin' to make some sense of it all
But I can see there makes no sense at all
Is it cool to go to sleep on the floor
I don't think that I can take any more
Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right
Here I am stuck in the middle with you

Stuck in the middle
Stuck in the middle
Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right
Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right
Stuck in the middle
Stuck in the middle
Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right
Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right
Here I am stuck in the middle with you

Well you started off with nothin' and
You're proud that you're a self-made man, yeah
And your friends they all come crawlin'
And slap you on the back and say
Please...
I say please...

Well I don't know why I came here tonight
I've got a feelin' that somethin' ain't right
I'm so scared in case I fall off my chair
And I'm wonderin' how I'll get down the stairs
Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right
Here I am, stuck in the middle with you
Stuck in the middle with you
Oh, yeah
Stuck in the middle with you
Here I am
Stuck in the middle with you
With you, with you, with you...

[Originally recorded by Stealer's Wheel]

Bob Dylan

http://users.cis.net/sammy/stuck.htm

karaoke practice time! 

Stealers Wheel guitarist Gerry Rafferty and keyboard player Joe Egan.

There are a lot of covers of that song, I was thinking Dylan Stealers Wheel works just as well. Grand Funk Railroad and Juice Newton did covers (for you old folks) Keith Urban and The Replacements did covers for us young people 

dylan did a cover.