Let's cook numbers

Let's just say we have 2,000 members and of which there are 400 actively fishing. On a given Saturday 100 launches (high estimate I'm guessing) at an ocean launch and catches the limit of RF. That's 1,000 RF caught on a Saturday. How does that compare to the fish caught by Commercial SportFishing Fleet on a Saturday?

I'm guessing 100 NCKA fishing on the ocean is a high estimate and only a few will catch the limit. As a group do we yakers really put a lot of pressure on RF population? I'm guessing not. No flames please, I'm just interested on others' thoughts.

How many of us do catch and retain a 10+2 lim. I am seeing more and more C&R on the rock fish these days.

I spent a week in Aug,at Fort Brag. I love to watch the party boats come in, at Noyo. Dring that week the Profishint anglers bounty was absoultly pathetic. 3-4 fish and smale.

My wife and I paddled out Noyo and fished the kelp to the north. In about an hour my wife landed 7 rock fish and 1 ling. I did not get bit WTf!!!!

This was our first ocean exp, and I am feening like a crack monkey for more big blue. Closed Aug 15 What crap!!

I know that the boaters do get on a good bite, and the quetion that I ask is. Does an angler that drops $100 on a trip going to release a big breeder fish, I think not.

I am going to quit here because I could ramble on about this for 10 more pages.

jason

p.s goood! topic Cap.

The numbers can be cooked in an infinite number of ways.  Traditionally you make your numbers coincide with whatever your agenda is 

OHHH I love this thread! As ClearLakeKid said how many of us actually catch limit?! Also how many of us can actually go fishing every Saturday not to mention WX factor, which commercial dont really care average NCKA fish only 3 times a month, Again lets do the math!

As I calculate base on my recent trips, Albion, San Mateo Coast,

About 55% of NCKA White Caucasian Hispanic etc. 45% ASIAN Filipino Vietnamese Chinese etc.

I admit the Asian loves fish we keep what we catch (most of the time not everytime)
The rest are pretty much catch and release unless they have asian wifes LOL  

According to your calculation 100 NCKA how much is it compare to comercial sportfishing

Generally 100 only 45 keeps limit = 450 Rockfish (saying if all got their limit) this are all over from Point Arena to Monterey Bay Correct me if I'm wrong..

While commercial Fishing we are talking about 20+ boats average 30 anglers (weekend usually booked out based on experience) per boat from Emeryville to Monterey Bay. Pressure on Commercial sportsfishing they need to keep everything they catch.. why? People that cant fish will need to have fish to make them happy, If all catch their limit 600 anglers *10 = 6,000 rockfish on Saturday..

450 Compare to 6,000
WX Factor 0 compare to 6,000

Do we put pressure on RF? Not even close!

Darius,

You crack me up. Your passion about fishing is so inspiring!!

I'm a major supporter of C&R. It started when I was a PB fishermen, and the first time I caught a few big Lings, I filleted them, set them on the kitchen counter, and within 10 minutes, those little nematodes started popping up from the flesh..Grossed me out, didn't know what they were, prompted me to do some research, and was fascinated with the life spans of these magnificent creatures, which then led me into researching other species...

My local fishing grounds are along the San Mateo coast where you can enjoy  a  reasonably steady bite ( if you fish it under the right conditions). To catch a 10 fish  limit is still achievable. My personal preference is to C&R the bigguns, and I take home maybe 4-5 small to medium rockies. But I totally support those kayak fisherpeople who prefer to C&E everything they bring onto the deck..

Rich

I don't think anyone would argue with the idea that yakkers have a minimal impact on fish populations compared to nearly any other source of pressure. Someone posted a survey sometime back wondering what people thought of special regs for kayakers. I think the majority were not in favor. I'm still haven't got off the fence.

Ben

Before we cook the numbers, we must first marinate them.
Do a search for CA CPFV (comm passenger fishing vessel) logs and you'll find plenty of info. Here's a good one: http://www.dfg.ca.gov/marine/landings07/cpfv2.pdf
Now let those numbers marinate for a little while.....
http://www.dfg.ca.gov/marine/fishing.asp#Commercial

Remember, those are solely CPFV totals. If you want complete view of Commercial landings, check this out: http://www.dfg.ca.gov/marine/landings07/table18pub.pdf
BTW: Go to pg 6 for Mill Ck (Big Sur) commercial totals....

Before we cook the numbers, we must first marinate them.
Do a search for CA CPFV (comm passenger fishing vessel) logs and you'll find plenty of info. Here's a good one: http://www.dfg.ca.gov/marine/landings07/cpfv2.pdf
Now let those numbers marinate for a little while.....
http://www.dfg.ca.gov/marine/fishing.asp#Commercial

Remember, those are solely CPFV totals. If you want complete view of Commercial landings, check this out: http://www.dfg.ca.gov/marine/landings07/table18pub.pdf
BTW: Go to pg 6 for Mill Ck (Big Sur) commercial totals....

OMG This are freakin awesome link, Thanks PAT!

Who'd'a thought they catch so many swordfish from Moss Landing port.....statistics are fun!
 

Who'd'a thought they catch so many swordfish from Moss Landing port.....statistics are fun!
 

I knew it!!!  I've heard stories of there being an decent swordfishery out at the 2000 fathom curve.  I've spent a couple nights out there in a boat in past years and came up empty.

-Allen

OK Darius, because you said to correct you if you were wrong, 45x100=4,500, not 450

...damn math...!

OK Darius, because you said to correct you if you were wrong, 45x100=4,500, not 450

...damn math...!

Sorry but I think your wrong 45% of 100 is 45 angler 10 fish per angler is 450 not 4500, unless they change the regs that you can keep 100 rockfish, can I fit those on my kayak  

Heres a breakdown
Average 100 angler Saturday
45% keeps their limit
55% CPR
10 RockFish Limit

Algebraic expression
X multiply by Y = 450
Sum is equals to 450 what is x and y
If x is equals to 45
What is Y
equation x = 45/Y=10
X(45) * Y(10) = 450
45 anglers multiply the limit of 10 = 450

Man got a headache on this

Damn man, you're good!
Incidentally, I definitely think human powered craft should have different regs, but I can't see it happening.

Incidentally, I definitely think human powered craft should have different regs, but I can't see it happening.

Sure it could. The MLPA disproportionately affects yaks and canoes since motored boats can simply power past closed areas. So we sue under "equal protection". Sounds good until you realize I'm talking out of my a$$ 

If we were inclined to push for it I think it could work. Low impact, carbon friendly -- organic fishing. I think environmentalists beyond our ranks would love the idea. I also think if it came true PBers would make us even more paranoid of them on the water  .

Ben

...compared to 114 CPFV between Morro Bay and Crescent City....fishing approx 5X per week...with approx 20 anglers per trip...fishing for limits of rockfish.
Since I'm on a roll (making stuff up), I'll take a shot at this math equation:
114 boats X 25 anglers per boat X 8 rockfish per angler = 22,800 rockfish harvested every Saturday (btwn Morro Bay and Crescent City...there are 216 CPFVs south of Morro).
Again, I'm just approximating...