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Topic: Looking for a Tuna fishing partner in advance  (Read 3394 times)

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Mr. X

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I have a to-do list, or a dreams list, the top one is the one-way Tuna fishing from Neath Bay to San Francisco by kayak, 750 miles long and might need 15 days on the water, please check attach google map. It might be a bit crazy, any idea/suggestion are welcomed, and please don’t laugh at me  :smt006

I knew its hard to find such fishing partner, but I just want to try, if no lucky here, I might go alone at next year 2025 July or August. Why am I  looking for a partner so early, because it need to take enough time to prepare such long distance fishing

This will be my last time to try tuna fishing by kayak, if I can come back alive, whatever I get tuna or not, I will sell my TI, only keep my AI


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Sounds like a Mr. X adventure. Looking forward to the reports.

Are you planning to camp on shore every night, or is this a true Mr. X-style gonzo adventure where you will spend some nights on the ocean?

Your proposed route has plenty of large ship traffic, so I'd recommend at least an AIS receiver and a radar reflector on your mast.

I presume you are prepared to be stuck on shore for long stretches if conditions are nasty? This route is a lot more exposed than R2AK.


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Too inefficient going linearly north/south. Just post up and wait in central Oregon until the fish are in range and then target them from the nearest port to the hot bite. You will have a problem with retaining ice to cool them down as well.

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if I can come back alive
Dude, this is a concerning way of talking about trips. There should be no doubt about whether you survive a trip. Zero. The mark of success should whether you caught your target species, made good time, etc.


Mr. X

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Hi KPD,
My plan is:
1) stay in kayak every night , only the weather bad, then landing.

2) I bought ocean anchor for safety and short time sleep purposes, floating on ocean for 20 days is doable from other people’s example which they did before by sea tragedy or by ocean solo trip purposely

3) yes, this trip is much risk than R2AK, like near Columbia river there, there are thousands shipwrecks near the shore, NPW is so call graveyard of pacific, so choose good weather days for this trip, and know how to do in bad weather which unpredictable is very important

4) I prepared PLB, InReach, talker, radar reflector already , but maybe no AIS, AIS like fish finder, need lots of electrical power. By the way, any recommendations for power bank with small size and large power capacity? 20 days on water need lots of power for cell phone/GPS/headlight……

5) Maybe you want to go together? :smt006


Mr. X

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Hi Rick,
Yes, your plan is good, my original plan is for floating on water day and night + tuna fishing  :smt044

If i get one tuna, i will eat on kayak, the rest will be the food for other fish.  :smt001


NowhereMan

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Averaging 50 miles/day for 15 days might be a bit optimistic...
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Mr. X

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Averaging 50 miles/day for 15 days might be a bit optimistic...

Yeah, but consider it might be 7/24 moving, and plus down wind, maybe it’s achievable, or maybe need 20 days in case need land for bad weather


SpeedyStein

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Rough stretch of coast for sure. PNW is unforgiving, as you already know, and chasing tuna can take you pretty far offshore. Glad to see you've got the safety gear sorted.

Like NWM mentioned, 50 miles/day is pretty ambitious, especially if trying to fish.  I haven't plotted it out, but your actual track will certainly be much longer than 750 miles.  Neah Bay is at 48-21N and SF is at about 37-50N - which by my math is about 630 nautical miles of just latitude.  Account for tacking, hazard avoidance, fishing, and transit in and out of ports along the way and you will easily travel over 1000 miles.  You at least should have following seas/winds for most or all of that trip though - the norm is weather from the northwest.

Don't forget to take rest breaks. It is easy to get locked into making progress and not rest when you need it, and lack of rest can cause questionable decisions, especially when solo.

Are you going make updates/trip progress on a website? Does your Garmin allow live tracking?
- Kevin


Mr. X

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Hi speedy,
Yes, you are right, PNW is unforgiving

I can sleep for couple minutes or even couple seconds then wake up, sleep again then wake up, use this technique i floating my kayak on ocean for 200 miles last year from Ventura to San Diego 4day 3 night, i have a bit experience on it, this is a problem for this long distance, but not that scare on me

The real concern for me is, the capsize on bad weather, if capsize, its death threat. Other all not really affect me, like tire, sleepless, nasty water, loneliness………

Actually it’s doable, anyone want to try?  :smt006



Rough stretch of coast for sure. PNW is unforgiving, as you already know, and chasing tuna can take you pretty far offshore. Glad to see you've got the safety gear sorted.

Like NWM mentioned, 50 miles/day is pretty ambitious, especially if trying to fish.  I haven't plotted it out, but your actual track will certainly be much longer than 750 miles.  Neah Bay is at 48-21N and SF is at about 37-50N - which by my math is about 630 nautical miles of just latitude.  Account for tacking, hazard avoidance, fishing, and transit in and out of ports along the way and you will easily travel over 1000 miles.  You at least should have following seas/winds for most or all of that trip though - the norm is weather from the northwest.

Don't forget to take rest breaks. It is easy to get locked into making progress and not rest when you need it, and lack of rest can cause questionable decisions, especially when solo.

Are you going make updates/trip progress on a website? Does your Garmin allow live tracking?


SpeedyStein

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Hi speedy,
Yes, you are right, PNW is unforgiving

I can sleep for couple minutes or even couple seconds then wake up, sleep again then wake up, use this technique i floating my kayak on ocean for 200 miles last year from Ventura to San Diego 4day 3 night, i have a bit experience on it, this is a problem for this long distance, but not that scare on me

The real concern for me is, the capsize on bad weather, if capsize, its death threat. Other all not really affect me, like tire, sleepless, nasty water, loneliness………

Actually it’s doable, anyone want to try?  :smt006



Rough stretch of coast for sure. PNW is unforgiving, as you already know, and chasing tuna can take you pretty far offshore. Glad to see you've got the safety gear sorted.

Like NWM mentioned, 50 miles/day is pretty ambitious, especially if trying to fish.  I haven't plotted it out, but your actual track will certainly be much longer than 750 miles.  Neah Bay is at 48-21N and SF is at about 37-50N - which by my math is about 630 nautical miles of just latitude.  Account for tacking, hazard avoidance, fishing, and transit in and out of ports along the way and you will easily travel over 1000 miles.  You at least should have following seas/winds for most or all of that trip though - the norm is weather from the northwest.

Don't forget to take rest breaks. It is easy to get locked into making progress and not rest when you need it, and lack of rest can cause questionable decisions, especially when solo.

Are you going make updates/trip progress on a website? Does your Garmin allow live tracking?

Of course it's doable! You wouldn't be the first, and won't be the last.

I was thinking naps would work fine for a couple days, but after 3 or 4 days, you need a real night's rest. Not only for your body, but for your mind. It is bad for your cognitive functions to not have several hours of deep sleep each night. I honestly think this is when a lot of medium distance sailors get into trouble - they push through a few days and feel OK, but haven't realized the lack of real deep sleep is impacting their decision making and reaction times.

Can you securely lay flat on your kayak while underway, to get more than a few minutes sleep?
- Kevin


NowhereMan

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I was thinking naps would work fine for a couple days, but after 3 or 4 days, you need a real night's rest. Not only for your body, but for your mind. It is bad for your cognitive functions to not have several hours of deep sleep each night. I honestly think this is when a lot of medium distance sailors get into trouble - they push through a few days and feel OK, but haven't realized the lack of real deep sleep is impacting their decision making and reaction times.

Can you securely lay flat on your kayak while underway, to get more than a few minutes sleep?

You need to read the Race to Alaska thread. When it comes to kayaking endurance, Mr. X is beyond superhuman.
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SpeedyStein

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I was thinking naps would work fine for a couple days, but after 3 or 4 days, you need a real night's rest. Not only for your body, but for your mind. It is bad for your cognitive functions to not have several hours of deep sleep each night. I honestly think this is when a lot of medium distance sailors get into trouble - they push through a few days and feel OK, but haven't realized the lack of real deep sleep is impacting their decision making and reaction times.

Can you securely lay flat on your kayak while underway, to get more than a few minutes sleep?

You need to read the Race to Alaska thread. When it comes to kayaking endurance, Mr. X is beyond superhuman.

Oh for sure, I was following along intently.  That was an awesome thread, and an awesome adventure for sure!  This is a whole different ordeal though ... No support from others, no protection from the elements, and quite a distance between suitable places to pull onto shore. A lot higher stakes on this trip, so things like getting enough rest is very important to plan for.

I'm rooting for Mr X - I definitely think he is capable of doing this.
- Kevin


Mr. X

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I think I can handle sleep case, this is not big problem for me. For example, so many ocean tragic survivors they floating on water without GPS, without weather forecasts device, without sail, without paddle, without enough water and food, without this and that, but they survive finally after couple weeks or even couple month floating on water, they no need sleep? So, sleep is not my real concern

And I used to sleep in kayak with comfortable, for example, in R2AK trip, 19 night on the water and I slept in kayak 18 night without any difficulty

My only concern is capsize indeed, this is a real concern, I image ten thousand times when I fall in water, how should I do, and image ten thousand times if barely going to be capsize, how should I be calm and how should I control my kayak to avoid capsize, others all difficult is not big problem for me, i can manage them easily. Only after life secure, other things will be all notching for me, not only nothing, actually I enjoy it. I enjoy to have the experience same as the ocean survivors, so fun, so exciting

Doable doesn’t mean no risk, please check below attachment pictures, the red point represents a shipwreck, you can image how risk this PNW, that is why I am looking for partners, have partners will increase the survival rate.

Even I watched lots of YouTube for sail on this area, even I read lots of book about this water, like below attached pictures, but I still need more input, like how to do after capsize in night in bad weather……..i cannot think in this way: other people made it, i am sure I can make it. They can be stronger, they might have much more experience, they can be much lucky , I cannot treat myself as one of them

What I need to do? Looking for partners, get more input, then do it for whatever reason.

I remember that day, when I stood in front of the graves on the bottom of Everest, the stone plate curved some words really touch me: Here bury a man who die for his dream.

Life is short, human being will die here or there anyway, so, just do it without fear








Of course it's doable! You wouldn't be the first, and won't be the last.

I was thinking naps would work fine for a couple days, but after 3 or 4 days, you need a real night's rest. Not only for your body, but for your mind. It is bad for your cognitive functions to not have several hours of deep sleep each night. I honestly think this is when a lot of medium distance sailors get into trouble - they push through a few days and feel OK, but haven't realized the lack of real deep sleep is impacting their decision making and reaction times.

Can you securely lay flat on your kayak while underway, to get more than a few minutes sleep?
« Last Edit: October 10, 2024, 08:01:36 PM by Mr. X »


NowhereMan

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My only concern is capsize ...

There is a brief discussion of what to do in a capsize here (along with lots of other good info):

https://www.norcalkayakanglers.com/index.php?topic=39153.0

I've only capsized once (embarrassingly, in the SC harbor), and it was easier than I expected to right the boat, even with my complicated 2-sail setup, fishing gear, cooler, etc. Other than folding in an ama (which is obviously necessary), it is important to release the sail(s), otherwise they'll create too much drag in the water.

Btw, do you leash yourself to the boat? I'd think that would be a good idea in general, but especially for sleeping.
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Mr. X

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Hi Mark,
Thank you very much for sharing the capsize experience, this is really valuable to me. I am planning someday go to HMB to practice capsize and recover skill, I never did it before. Originally I thought I wont be able to recover the TI after capsize, now I feel I maybe able to recover it since your body looks not that heavier than mine  :smt044

For the link you paste here, on the capsize portion, there is no much information for how to recover the capsize, I need to practice to get my own knowledge and my own skill for it. Thank you!

My original plan is that, when capsize, I will climb up the bottom of the Kayak, sit on the trampoline, wait for storm pass, then try to dismantle the Kayak, maybe use ama, or hull to approach shore for landing. If I can recover the capsize TI, that will be wonderful, I can continue my trip after capsize.

Yes, to leash my body to kayak is good idea, You always gave me very good idea/advice, really appreciated!