Campgrounds and Dogs...

I have been around dogs and horses my whole life.

That says a lot but not enough : IMO.

I'm only bitter because I envy all the dog cool dog owners on this site 

And ChuckE you're right on the mark - I don't want to hear your dog barking all night long - or screaming when its life gets taken from it.

Maybe I'm reading this wrong...but as I understand it, you're assuming that Chuck's dog barks all night and that Chuck would be the type of guy who would put his dog's life in danger.

Sorry Pole Pole but it is factual, only you can decide how you react to something someone says or does.

Again ... no wonder so many people are pissed off at you.

I know if you didn't say a word, there would be less people pissed off at you.  You can make choices that affect the ultimate outcome.  The choices you make are your responsibility, whether or not something happens downstream that you claim to have no control over.

-Allen

It makes me mad to see someone treat their animal so poorly.  I have seen so many people put their animals lives in danger it makes me want to puke....

I have warned people not to leave their defenseless dog tied up outside at night, because there were bears the night before -

They didn't pay attention... dog dead...

Yes Mooch those were assumptions on your part, I didn't know Chuck had dogs, I thought he was using "us" in a general terms. But I can see how you drew that conclusion from what I wrote about "your dog"  meaning Chucks dog, when I meant dogs in general.  Nor do I think anyone on this site, including Chuck is an irresponsible dog owner. I have never been around their dogs. I had two german shepards, and a collie, and 10 cats, lots of birds, a bunny rabbit, and ducks when I was younger, but I travel too much now to have pets.

PolePole, I am sorry but no one can determine how you choose to react to something someone wrote or said. You can have 100 people read the same thing and all 100 of them are going to have a different reaction, based on their own thoughts, and perceptions, and life experiences.

People choose to get mad, because they want to get mad.  Its the same as people have the ability to choose whether or not they want to be happy.  It is a conscious decision.  If I let everything everyone said - did or write determine whether or not I was mad or happy,  my emotions would be going around like a roller coaster.

So again, people are pissed because they choose to be pissed.  If I could control how people react, I could control people, but I do not possess that kind of power over people....

If you haven't figured out by now there is a group of 10 men, and one woman,(you just wait, she'll be along shortly and put her few jabs in, she never lets me down!) who like to jump on the band wagon any chance they get to try to put in a few jabs... that's their problem...not mine, if they want to be mean.

If I walked into a bar and called the first 10 women whores, how many would be pissed?  Am I not responsible?

-Allen

You'd either get lucky or go home by yourself.

You're missing my point.

If you walked into a bar and went up to ten women and called them a whore, some might be offended, some might think you were a complete jerk, some might say yes, and others might slap you ALL depending on how they each individually respond to being called a whore.

Those that thought you were a jerk, and had some class, would excuse themselves, where another person might slap you, and throw her drink in your face.  Everyone responds to a situation how they choose to respond.

If you don't get my point - go into a bar and call ten different ladies a whore, and document how all ten of them react.  Just be sure no one in the bar is packing a gun.

I've got a sudden urge to take my dog camping and kayaking!

Sky,

Just for the record I've been camping my whole life and when dogs are in our camp they always sleep with their owners, (in a tent or back of the truck).  And our dogs were trained and under control.  Never lost one to an animal, camping all over norcal and parts of Oregon.

Sorry if it sounded like I was picking on you...  The real villians are the assholes who don't/won't/can't keep their pets under control.

You're missing my point.

Not really.  I'm saying the outcome is dependent on actions/decisions on both sides.  You're saying the outcome is solely a function of the "other side" and that you have nothing to do with it.

-Allen

So again, people are pissed because they choose to be pissed.  

I'm not jumpin any bandwagons,I agree with you.  I don't think I've ever gotten, "pissed" at anyone here.  Its equally ignorant to let a moron have that kind of effect on you.  Sometimes I see stuff I disagree with or posts I feel are flat out "bullsh*t," and call it when I see it but I've never been pissed. You are correct...you don't have that kind of power over people.  Rather than get pissed I usually consider the source of such opinions, mis-info, or mis-representation of that persons actual knowledge then try to correct it if it has potential for negative impact on those not in the know.

  

Pole Pole if I knew I had the power to piss someone off - make them happy - make them cry - make them angry - then couldn't I go around  and control peoples emotions like they were puppets on a string?  That's what people who are bully's try to do with intimidation to frighten someone or  to make them go  away, or to try to control them to get them to do what they want them to do.

I hate to say this, but that's kind-of what Mooch's comment, "You  might just stick to your "cut and paste" suggestions on where to paddle and camp....leave the fishing and the dogs to those who actually know their stuff. Thanks, we would all really appreciate it.", was attempting to do.   Shut up sky - go away, and leave us men alone who know what we are talking about - and you don't....and stick to your cut and paste comments, what ever he meant by that.  He probably meant I copied the information from out of one of my kayak books I wrote on where to kayak in california...which I did...

Until you (people in general not you personally) realize your happiness is entirely up to the things you tell yourself, and the thoughts you have, you'll always think a state of happiness is something outside of yourself, when in fact happiness comes from within you. The same applies to the things you let bother you or piss you off.

If I was really concerned about needing everyone to like me, I would be a basket case, because EVERYONE has people they like better then others, and EVERYONE has people they don't get along with...that's why we have friends....

I must admit things took bad turn on NORCAL, after I turned down a number of men's offers.  But that's life... then there was the logo ordeal...yep I guess there's been a few issues that have ruffled a few people's feathers.

Just because someone doesn't approve, agree or like something you did, does it give them the right, to write nasty and verbally abusive posts in response because they got pissed off?  Why people think it is appropriate to address people this way is beyond me. I guess I was raised differently. It only shows me and others, the kind of person they truly are.

Eric I did not think you were picking on me.  I unfortunately have not had the same experience with people camping with their dogs, which is why I am probably more against bringing dogs camping, because I don't want the dog to die because their owner was careless.  Some of these individuals were just as careless with their children. I have been camping my whole life too, but in the past 28 years every summer I have camped 5 to 7 weeks of every summer.  The problem seems to occur in the more populated campgrounds I have been to.  Last year was the worst of all the years combined.  I can still hear the animals cry. It's awful.

Some of these individuals were just as careless with their children

I hear that!  Sometimes I wished a bear would charge out of the brush and make off with a few kids...  Or the parents.

But seriously, sorry you had to hear that, but that's why we purposely seek out spots where there are as few people as possible.

Pole Pole if I knew I had the power to piss someone off - make them happy - make them cry - make them angry - then couldn't I go around  and control peoples emotions like they were puppets on a string?

Of course in an ideal world you should have no power over anyone.  But this is the real world and there will always be people that react to what you say or do.   Just because they shouldn't react doesn't give you the right to absolve yourself of any responsibility.  I think we've beaten this subject to death.  Agree?

Sorry for the threadjack.

-Allen

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hate to say this, but that's kind-of what Mooch's comment, "You  might just stick to your "cut and paste" suggestions on where to paddle and camp....leave the fishing and the dogs to those who actually know their stuff. Thanks, we would all really appreciate it.", was attempting to do.   Shut up sky - go away, and leave us men alone who know what we are talking about - and you don't....and stick to your cut and paste comments, what ever he meant by that.  He probably meant I copied the information from out of one of my kayak books I wrote on where to kayak in california...which I did

here we go again  

Sky....just please admit to all the readers of this site that you know nothing about kayak fishing and I'll shut up already.


As EK once said....It's Hogwash!

"Sky....just please admit to all the readers of this site that you know nothing about kayak fishing and I'll shut up already." Mooch


Mooch you are just digging yourself a deeper grave, and burying yourself.  

I agree, there's a lot of people on NORCAL that know a lot more about fishing than I do, but for you to say, " I know nothing about kayak fishing," is just another bad assumption on your part AND it is only an attempt to try to belittle me in front of everyone.  

Shame on you Mooch, I thought you were a nicer person.