Federal judge strikes down California’s ban on high-capacity gun magazines

Of the 40,000 gun deaths in 2007, nearly 24,000 were suicides, and 14,000 were homicides.  The remaining 2,000 were accidents or police actions.

Not sure what my point is ...

-Allen

I could care less about armed civilian militias, etc. Do I honestly believe that in my lifetime or in my childrens' lifetimes that civilians will somehow need to bear arms against a tyrannical US government? No, not at all.

Do I believe that in that same time there could possibly be widespread rioting/looting/killing due to food/water/electricity shortages or some type of racial unrest. Sure I do.

But even putting all that aside I'm just against people trying to chip away at my rights. Baitman's meme is dead on. There's people lobbying right now to decrease the number of rounds a mag holds to 7. Why? Is it because 7 is somehow safer than 10? Nope, it's because these fuckers know that the majority of gun manufacturers won't make a modified mag and jump through the extra hoops it takes just to get their product acceptable for sale in this pussy ass state. There's already tons of guns you can't buy in CA because manufacturers don't want to deal with the extra costs of the more stringent drop test laws, etc. So the tactic is definitely working.

#MeToo

-Allen

If you looked out your front window and saw an unfriendly group of fine upstanding citizens,  which magazine would you put in your gun? 10 or 30 or 100? Maybe you'll say that has never happened and never will. If I'm going to keep a gun for protecting my home and family, I want it to work well for more than a single intruder.

If you looked out your front window and saw an unfriendly group of fine upstanding citizens,  which magazine would you put in your gun? 10 or 30 or 100? Maybe you'll say that has never happened and never will. If I'm going to keep a gun for protecting my home and family, I want it to work well for more than a single intruder.

  Exactly...!
         We've had anti drug laws for over half a century and still can't keep drugs out of prisons even.     Why create more laws that only make outlaws out of  law abiding citizens.   

   

But saying people should raise there kids to make good decisions as a solution to the problems in Chicago and other large cities is naive to ignorant of the reality that exists.

Say more.

-Allen

Thought it was enough....... but saying that parents that are drug addicts and/or gang members should teach their kids to make good decisions is not reality. 

I don't think the comments are focused only on drug addict / gang parents.  The American society as a whole has raised a disrespectful, me-first, blah-blah-blah generation(s).

-Allen

Actually Allen the problem is AGAIN government over stepping there bounds, when I was a kid if I got in trouble I got my ass whooped, hurt like hell, wasn’t child abuse it was a lesson needed!! Now if you say the wrong word to your kid you got 50 MF’ers up in your business yelling child abuse child abuse. Parents with out of control kids should be getting charged with neglect but it’s society’s fault they let there kids get that way..... you can’t punish your kids..... he’ll our society don’t punish our F’ing criminals, steal something in another country and it could cost you your hand!!

So, is better education and better mental health the answer?

If limiting mag counts is out (and I see the logic in asking the 'why is 7 better than 30 question') is there any way to prevent the future Parklands or what-have-you?
Or are these events just the cost of freedom comparable to military or LEO casualties?

Of the 40,000 gun deaths in 2007, nearly 24,000 were suicides, and 14,000 were homicides.  The remaining 2,000 were accidents or police actions.

Not sure what my point is ...

-Allen

The numbers are for 2018

For such a low number it seems to gather the biggest headlines.  (I am in no way minimizing murder and one life taken can never be replaced). 

It tells me that guns are not a problem in America (until there is a mass shooting somewhere  ). 

Of the 40,000 gun deaths in 2007, nearly 24,000 were suicides, and 14,000 were homicides.  The remaining 2,000 were accidents or police actions.

Not sure what my point is ...

-Allen

The point is you can discount suicides by 100% when having these discussions.

Suicide rates are higher in both France and Belgium than in the USA, but the anti gun crowd always includes suicides as gun deaths when they should not.  There are other ways to commit suicide as places such as Japan and South Korea, who also have higher suicide rates than the USA, readily demonstrate.

I don't really have time for SteveS for several hours but damn I don't know if someone could be more wrong if he tried.

Of the 40,000 gun deaths in 2007, nearly 24,000 were suicides, and 14,000 were homicides.  The remaining 2,000 were accidents or police actions.

Not sure what my point is ...

-Allen

The point is you can discount suicides by 100% when having these discussions.

Suicide rates are higher in both France and Belgium than in the USA, but the anti gun crowd always includes suicides as gun deaths when they should not.  There are other ways to commit suicide as places such as Japan and South Korea, who also have higher suicide rates than the USA, readily demonstrate.

I don't really have time for SteveS for several hours but damn I don't know if someone could be more wrong if he tried.

+1

Of the 40,000 gun deaths in 2007, nearly 24,000 were suicides, and 14,000 were homicides.  The remaining 2,000 were accidents or police actions.

Not sure what my point is ...

-Allen

The numbers are for 2018

Typo on my part ... 2017.

-Allen

This example cuts in both directions I know. But it's still an example as to why you might want more bullets. No lawyer joke please.

Of the 40,000 gun deaths in 2007, nearly 24,000 were suicides, and 14,000 were homicides.  The remaining 2,000 were accidents or police actions.

Not sure what my point is ...

-Allen

The numbers are for 2018

Typo on my part ... 2017.

-Allen

Great. More fake news 

If police struggle to hit targets it's likely an amateur would do worse.

"An aide to Watts pointed us to a 2008 Rand study that looked at the accuracy of New York Police Department officer-involved shootings. The key data point is the "hit rate," the number of rounds that struck a suspect divided by total shots fired.

The Rand study looked at NYPD firearm-discharge reports from from 1998 through 2006. Some of the findings point in Watts’ favor, while other data refutes her point.

Hit ratios were below 30 percent for gunfights (18 percent) and from long ranges (23 percent from more than seven yards away). However, in cases where suspects did not return fire, NYPD officers hit their targets 30 percent of the time. Accuracy levels were above 30 percent when the target was seven yards away or closer (37 percent)."

By the way, some of you guys should be absolutely terrified to learn that just about every gun show I've been to has had at least one booth legally selling non-assembled 30 round mags.

Kind of off topic, but something else to think about - Why were bump stocks made illegal immediately after the LV shootings when residents can legally buy fully automatic weapons there?

This example cuts in both directions I know. But it's still an example as to why you might want more bullets. No lawyer joke please.

....best part of the video is the woman on the pay phone in the background.