A moment on the ride home that was just So right.

During a busy salmon bite, I bet lots of boaters find it to be a real pain to have to dodge us kayakers. Some of them would probably be all in favor of imposing a kayaking tax on any kayaker who wants to use waterways shared by power boats. But you'd probably oppose that right?

I don't understand why people keep comparing it to kayakers.

I, and the people on this thread complaining about bicyclists are opposed to unsafe, law breaking bicyclists. We support safe, courteous, law abiding bicyclists.

Everyone in this thread on both sides of the argument supports safe, courteous and law abiding kayakers. Everyone on this thread doesn't like reckless kayakers that put themselves and everyone around them in danger.

Name a single person in this thread who feels that bicyclists should not be allowed on roads ever. Because the only complaining about bicyclists on this thread are about law breaking and rude bicyclists.

This thread is the very essence of a straw man argument.

I don't understand why people keep comparing it to kayakers.
I, and the people on this thread complaining about bicyclists are opposed to unsafe, law breaking bicyclists. We support safe, courteous, law abiding bicyclists.

"Bikes are to cars as kayaks are to powerboats" is a pretty good analogy, although maybe irrelevant here.

I'm opposed to unsafe cycling practices, but am more opposed to unsafe driving practices as they are more dangerous to everyone. What's really surprising to me is that nobody bats an eye at cars who fail to signal and who roll through stop signs, but a few bikes do it and suddenly we have a lynch mob. Just read the comments section on any online article about bicycles.

What's really surprising to me is that nobody bats an eye at cars who fail to signal and who roll through stop signs, but a few bikes do it and suddenly we have a lynch mob. Just read the comments section on any online article about bicycles.

I bat an eye ... at the dead horse being beaten.  If it were just "a few bikes" we wouldn't be having this discussion.

-Allen

Name a single person in this thread who feels that bicyclists should not be allowed on roads ever. Because the only complaining about bicyclists on this thread are about law breaking and rude bicyclists.

This thread is the very essence of a straw man argument.

Highways are for cars, plain and simple. It's about getting from point A to point B in a timely manner.
I can't drive my truck on the bike trail. Why should they be allowed to ride their bikes on the highway?

I don't understand why people keep comparing it to kayakers.
I, and the people on this thread complaining about bicyclists are opposed to unsafe, law breaking bicyclists. We support safe, courteous, law abiding bicyclists.

"Bikes are to cars as kayaks are to powerboats" is a pretty good analogy, although maybe irrelevant here.

I'm opposed to unsafe cycling practices, but am more opposed to unsafe driving practices as they are more dangerous to everyone. What's really surprising to me is that nobody bats an eye at cars who fail to signal and who roll through stop signs, but a few bikes do it and suddenly we have a lynch mob. Just read the comments section on any online article about bicycles.

Hey just make a thread about unsafe drivers and I'll lynch them right with you.

Name a single person in this thread who feels that bicyclists should not be allowed on roads ever. Because the only complaining about bicyclists on this thread are about law breaking and rude bicyclists.

This thread is the very essence of a straw man argument.

Highways are for cars, plain and simple. It's about getting from point A to point B in a timely manner.
I can't drive my truck on the bike trail. Why should they be allowed to ride their bikes on the highway?

Okay you got me there and found one lol.

it's a frustrating argument …

  " The unenforceable rule…  "  Cars, bikes, lameness on both sides,  and then of course, comes one of us,  Bad Asses all the way,   

  and WTFIsThisLameMFdoinginFrontofMe!!!   

  It's about control, and wanting to control things that we have no control over…  and as soon as we try, we lose control of ourselves…

  We are not built to take a "moment" to 'Breath…"  We want to get where we want to go, ASAFP, and really don't have patience for granola eaten, cheese whiffing, sierra club donating, wine sipping head up the ass jackasses…   

  But really, what can come of trying to right this wrong?

 Your not going to convince the the venerable bike rider he or she is wrong, and being their on the road described, their fight or flight is already in high mode, so expect a Limbic response …

  The lame ass motorist, is just that, and not changing ways any time soon...


  So what to do? 

 My advice, and I follow it about half the time,  is take a "Moment" for yourself,  and let it go…

  Dollars to Donuts,  you'll find more happiness in this action than any other…

  Peace out Man….   

 

Hey Craig, dude, don't run me over while I'm riding    i try to stay out of the way!!  i'm too old to be run over now.

We need a bike trail along Route 1.....separate but equal.  Cyclist ought to pay for it--some type of bike tax.  I'd gladly contribute.

Man, the sound of log trucks running up on you on route 1 is scary  (that Jake brake), although they (log truck drivers) are usually the most courteous.  Some of the guys I ride with are log truck drivers.

Road biking on Rt 1 is why I switched to Mountain biking......

Its funny we're all talking about taxes...registration, road tax, etc.

Coming very soon-- in the next couple of years, we'll see our fuel tax replaced with a consumption tax.  Some function, F(Vehicle Type/weight, Miles driven) = tax amount.

The high mileage and electric set are really eating into the tax revenues.  When PowerPlus's dual carbon battery makes it into product EVs (2016 likely), its game-on-its-way-to-over for revenues....

I"d be fully in support of adding bicycles as  a vehicle type/weight class into that consumption calculation...

I don't understand why people keep comparing it to kayakers.

I, and the people on this thread complaining about bicyclists are opposed to unsafe, law breaking bicyclists. We support safe, courteous, law abiding bicyclists.

Everyone in this thread on both sides of the argument supports safe, courteous and law abiding kayakers. Everyone on this thread doesn't like reckless kayakers that put themselves and everyone around them in danger.

Name a single person in this thread who feels that bicyclists should not be allowed on roads ever. Because the only complaining about bicyclists on this thread are about law breaking and rude bicyclists.

This thread is the very essence of a straw man argument.

When in my power boat, I find unfit and unprepared kayakers, rental kayaks and paddle boarders to be an equally annoying population as the roadies on highway 1.

Both are slow moving human powered objects that wander in and out of traffic lanes (especially at the harbor entrances). 

Both are looked upon by others as "bat shit crazy" for playing on toys in big boys territory.

Both can be viewed upon as being reckless or dangerous.

Both sports have factions of reckless populations that do not represent the majority of those that partake safely and considerately. 


How on earth can you not categorize the two in the same proverbial boat?

I don't understand why people keep comparing it to kayakers.

I, and the people on this thread complaining about bicyclists are opposed to unsafe, law breaking bicyclists. We support safe, courteous, law abiding bicyclists.

Everyone in this thread on both sides of the argument supports safe, courteous and law abiding kayakers. Everyone on this thread doesn't like reckless kayakers that put themselves and everyone around them in danger.

Name a single person in this thread who feels that bicyclists should not be allowed on roads ever. Because the only complaining about bicyclists on this thread are about law breaking and rude bicyclists.

This thread is the very essence of a straw man argument.

When in my power boat, I find unfit and unprepared kayakers, rental kayaks and paddle boarders to be an equally annoying population as the roadies on highway 1.

Both are slow moving human powered objects that wander in and out of traffic lanes (especially at the harbor entrances). 

Both are looked upon by others as "bat shit crazy" for playing on toys in big boys territory.

Both can be viewed upon as being reckless or dangerous.

Both sports have factions of reckless populations that do not represent the majority of those that partake safely and considerately. 


How on earth can you not categorize the two in the same proverbial boat?

You are reading the same facts as me and drawing an entirely different conclusion.

You seem to think that a person who believes reckless bikers are a danger to themselves and those around them should be more tolerant of reckless bikers because they use kayaks around powerboats.

That is an odd conclusion to me.

As a kayaker that tries his best to perform my activity in such a manner that is safe for myself and those around me, I respect the bicyclists who do the same.

As a kayaker who does that, I do not respect bicyclists who are reckless, nor do I respect kayakers who are reckless.

As a driver and kayaker, I also do not respect powerboats who are reckless nor car drivers or motorcycle riders who are reckless.

Just because someone uses a kayak among powerboaters doesn't mean they should be tolerant of reckless and rude cyclists. I'm not saying they should also attack them but, I can certainly understand the frustration just like I can understand the frustration of people on a kayak having to rescue someone who falls off their kayak without a PFD/immersion protection and no knowledge of how to self-rescue.

It's not a completely black and white scenario that it's painted to be. It'd be more accurate to say that Safe Kayakers should be tolerant of Safe Cyclists. That is a true and correct equivalence and one I would say most people agree with.

I don't understand why people keep comparing it to kayakers.

I, and the people on this thread complaining about bicyclists are opposed to unsafe, law breaking bicyclists. We support safe, courteous, law abiding bicyclists.

Everyone in this thread on both sides of the argument supports safe, courteous and law abiding kayakers. Everyone on this thread doesn't like reckless kayakers that put themselves and everyone around them in danger.

Name a single person in this thread who feels that bicyclists should not be allowed on roads ever. Because the only complaining about bicyclists on this thread are about law breaking and rude bicyclists.

This thread is the very essence of a straw man argument.

When in my power boat, I find unfit and unprepared kayakers, rental kayaks and paddle boarders to be an equally annoying population as the roadies on highway 1.

Both are slow moving human powered objects that wander in and out of traffic lanes (especially at the harbor entrances). 

Both are looked upon by others as "bat shit crazy" for playing on toys in big boys territory.

Both can be viewed upon as being reckless or dangerous.

Both sports have factions of reckless populations that do not represent the majority of those that partake safely and considerately. 


How on earth can you not categorize the two in the same proverbial boat?

You are reading the same facts as me and drawing an entirely different conclusion.

You seem to think that a person who believes reckless bikers are a danger to themselves and those around them should be more tolerant of reckless bikers because they use kayaks around powerboats.

That is an odd conclusion to me.

As a kayaker that tries his best to perform my activity in such a manner that is safe for myself and those around me, I respect the bicyclists who do the same.

As a kayaker who does that, I do not respect bicyclists who are reckless, nor do I respect kayakers who are reckless.

As a driver and kayaker, I also do not respect powerboats who are reckless nor car drivers or motorcycle riders who are reckless.

Just because someone uses a kayak among powerboaters doesn't mean they should be tolerant of reckless and rude cyclists. I'm not saying they should also attack them but, I can certainly understand the frustration just like I can understand the frustration of people on a kayak having to rescue someone who falls off their kayak without a PFD/immersion protection and no knowledge of how to self-rescue.

It's not a completely black and white scenario that it's painted to be. It'd be more accurate to say that Safe Kayakers should be tolerant of Safe Cyclists. That is a true and correct equivalence and one I would say most people agree with.

No.   You asked why the comparison to kayaks popped upon the conversation.  I posted why its here. I feel that the two operate in areas with competing user groups, namely human powered vs. motorized.  I don't care to increase your understanding on the plight of cyclists nor explain why you should be tolerant.

Maybe I've read too many of the Anti-Anything-With-a-Motor posts that pop up here a dozen times every year for the past decade.  Usually starts off with "some a-hole on a jet ski" or "some clown in a ski boat with blaring music and hot women dancing from the wakeboard tower completely ruined my no hot chicks all zen serenity kayaking trip"  rant that turns into twenty pages of "we should have more rights than those guys."

Ironically, thats what happened here as well except its vehicle bound yakkers pissed at human powered cyclists lol. 

 

Yeah but what I am saying here is the common denominator is not the transportation method. They all start the same way....

"Some a-hole on a jet ski..."
"Some jerk on a bicycle..."
"An idiot in his car..."
"A b**** in his powerboat..."
"A dumba** in a kayak...."

Comparing kayaks to bicycles is irrelevant.

The common denominator in all those threads about anti-whatevertransportation is that the person utilizing the method of transportation was a idiot.

Yeah but what I am saying here is the common denominator is not the transportation method. They all start the same way....

"Some a-hole on a jet ski..."
"Some jerk on a bicycle..."
"An idiot in his car..."
"A b**** in his powerboat..."
"A dumba** in a kayak...."

Comparing kayaks to bicycles is irrelevant.

The common denominator in all those threads about anti-whatevertransportation is that the person utilizing the method of transportation was a idiot.

By who's standards?  Doesn't everybody always think the other guy is a jackass?

Either way, its all a matter of perception and I believe its completely relevant in the realm of irony.