Number of Fishing Rods With Rockcod Aboard

Im not sure where youre confusion lies. Those all seem pretty straight forward.

I'm starting to get a bit annoyed. Go read the section for yourself. I can't read the damn book for you.

The title of subsection (a) is Methods of take

If you want to argue or disagree with me at least give me the courtesy of reading the regulation you want to argue about.

Do you have a vested interest in this? The rule book is such a morass of poorly worded confusing legalese that even the DFG can't understand it. It is difficult to prove myself wrong. Since you were so sure I thought you would be able to quote the section and I could read it. When I saw the "pursuing" quote I assumed it was from the regs. You showed me they were misspeaking. I have spent a lot of time on the barbless salmon question and I mistakenly assumed the one pole rockfish question was the same because the word pursuing was used. If it annoys you to take part in a friendly discussion about the regs, why do it?

Of course I have a vested interest in the conversation.  We all do.  When you go out there on your kayak sporting NCKA stickers on your rig, maybe even at a gathering, and you get a ticket for violating the regs, it reflects poorly on all of us.  When some lurker of this site says "Well, I saw it on NCKA where this dude traildad says its ok" then that is a MAJOR problem for me.

This isn't a friendly discussion about the regs,.  This is saving us all egg on our face.  This is you being demonstrably wrong and spreading misinformation, without even having bothered to RTFM.  In a section on the site specifically about CA Regulations.

It is not difficult to prove you wrong.  You are wrong.  I've pointed you to the regulations that explicitly say so.  You came right out and said its ok to keep a rockfish if you are using two poles.  You are wrong, wrong, wrong.

I can say that you are demonstrably wrong. All discussions on this site are friendly discussions, or should be. The thread started out with a quote from DFG, I assume, that doesn't exactly convey the intent of the regs. I responded to that post. You are right, I did not read the regs to see if the regs were being misquoted and I wrongly assumed the regs were similar in wording to the salmon regs. Why you feel it is necessary to use acronyms of a foul nature is beyond me. I acknowledged my error when you showed me the regs were different than what was quoted in the first post.

Im not sure where youre confusion lies. Those all seem pretty straight forward.

Some people think the wording in the salmon regs has the same meaning as the wording in the sturgeon regs regarding using barbless hooks. Same wording, same meaning. Different wording, different meaning. I have not seen any gear restriction on method of take for salmon that disallows using barbed hooks if you are striper fishing and don't have any salmon on board. Some people believe otherwise.

The regs clearly state that the approved method of take for salmon in each body of water. If you catch a salmon by any other means you must release it. So you can use your barbed hooks for striper (i guess, no nothing of those regs) but if you happen to catch a salmon incidentally on one of those barbed hooks you you must release it. Not sure why this is not clear as the regs clearly lay this out.

The regs clearly state that the approved method of take for salmon in each body of water. If you catch a salmon by any other means you must release it. So you can use your barbed hooks for striper (i guess, no nothing of those regs) but if you happen to catch a salmon incidentally on one of those barbed hooks you you must release it. Not sure why this is not clear as the regs clearly lay this out.

The restrictions seem to only apply if you are targeting salmon or if you have salmon on board. If the restriction applied under all circumstances then why not use the same wording used in the sturgeon regs?

Traildad - please don't take it the wrong way that some people get a bit uptight about misinterpretation of the regs.  It's frustrating to hear people say or to read when people write that it may be OK to keep a fish that was caught with illegal gear as long as they then switch over to the legal gear.  It boils down to that for me, and I think the same is true for others in the discussion as well as many who are reading but aren't commenting because we've been down this road before.

A year and a half ago a newish member who meant no wrong stated in a post that he'd asked and confirmed with a game warden that as long as he switched out his gear (went to one rod) he could keep a rockfish or lingcod caught while fishing with two rods.  I called him on it, told him it's totally illegal and that he misinterpreted what the game warden said, a slightly heated argument ensued, light was shed on the fact that it is indeed illegal, and all moved on.  Some feelings may have been hurt, but the bottom line is, like Crash stated, that we all stand to look bad if misinformation is proliferated through this site.

If you're fishing with gear or multiple rods that aren't allowed for a certain species, you most certainly and definitely cannot keep that species when you catch it!  It's like saying that you can drink a beer while driving as long as you dump it out if you get pulled over.

I've posted some information on my GS8 thread about a fixed barbless circle hook rig - not because I enjoy fishing it, or even because I think others should fish it as their best chance of catching a salmon.  I put it up there because I know there will be people who put bait out, catch a salmon, and then hope they can keep it even though they were using illegal salmon gear to catch it.

A big part of fishing is the development of focus and intention.  When you focus on rockfish and lingcod and intend to keep one you should know the regs and use one rod with no more than two hooks.  Fishing two rods or numerous hooks because you're halibut fishing is fine, but if you do that and then HOPE that you can just keep a rock or ling while fishing that way, I say you are only focused on keeping a fish, and your intent is to do it without following a basic directive.  Personally, I don't respect that level of fishing - it seems exploitive and is certainly not sporting, in my opinion.

Salmon, for many, represent an even higher level of focus and intent.  Sportsman are working hard to hook and land salmon on barbless rigs while fishing with one rod.  To hear of others who inadvertently hook a salmon on barbed gear, while fishing multiple rods, or otherwise illegal salmon rigging, it degrades the efforts of those who took the time and spent the energy and resources to do it right.

Do it right, and that awesome catch will mean much more - to all of us!

Best of luck to you.   

Traildad - please don't take it the wrong way that some people get a bit uptight about misinterpretation of the regs.  It's frustrating to hear people say or to read when people write that it may be OK to keep a fish that was caught with illegal gear as long as they then switch over to the legal gear.  It boils down to that for me, and I think the same is true for others in the discussion as well as many who are reading but aren't commenting because we've been down this road before.

A year and a half ago a newish member who meant no wrong stated in a post that he'd asked and confirmed with a game warden that as long as he switched out his gear (went to one rod) he could keep a rockfish or lingcod caught while fishing with two rods.  I called him on it, told him it's totally illegal and that he misinterpreted what the game warden said, a slightly heated argument ensued, light was shed on the fact that it is indeed illegal, and all moved on.  Some feelings may have been hurt, but the bottom line is, like Crash stated, that we all stand to look bad if misinformation is proliferated through this site.

If you're fishing with gear or multiple rods that aren't allowed for a certain species, you most certainly and definitely cannot keep that species when you catch it!  It's like saying that you can drink a beer while driving as long as you dump it out if you get pulled over.

I've posted some information on my GS8 thread about a fixed barbless circle hook rig - not because I enjoy fishing it, or even because I think others should fish it as their best chance of catching a salmon.  I put it up there because I know there will be people who put bait out, catch a salmon, and then hope they can keep it even though they were using illegal salmon gear to catch it.

A big part of fishing is the development of focus and intention.  When you focus on rockfish and lingcod and intend to keep one you should know the regs and use one rod with no more than two hooks.  Fishing two rods or numerous hooks because you're halibut fishing is fine, but if you do that and then HOPE that you can just keep a rock or ling while fishing that way, I say you are only focused on keeping a fish, and your intent is to do it without following a basic directive.  Personally, I don't respect that level of fishing - it seems exploitive and is certainly not sporting, in my opinion.

Salmon, for many, represent an even higher level of focus and intent.  Sportsman are working hard to hook and land salmon on barbless rigs while fishing with one rod.  To hear of others who inadvertently hook a salmon on barbed gear, while fishing multiple rods, or otherwise illegal salmon rigging, it degrades the efforts of those who took the time and spent the energy and resources to do it right.

Do it right, and that awesome catch will mean much more - to all of us!

Best of luck to you.   

I hope not to take it wrong. I also hope that doesn't give people carte Blanche to be rude. I would say that the problem is born out of the confusing morass of legalese that is the fish and game code. It would seem more appropriate to direct our frustrated emotions towards it than people that misunderstand. I have conceded that the code does correctly specify one pole for taking rockfish and not simply while pursuing rockfish as seemed to be implied in the original post. I have yet to see the same for the barbless rules regarding salmon. In order to follow the code it needs to be understandable. It is clearly stated that rockfish can only be taken using one pole. To do otherwise is not exploitive, it would be illegal. I myself have never fished for rockfish except many years ago on a party boat so the discussion is not about personal practices on my part. It was easy to show why two poles are not allowed. It is clearly stated in the regs. This however is not the case regarding salmon yet most people seem to act as though it is.

You don't read the regs, you don't even fish for the species, you give demonstrably false statements, and I'm the rude one.

Roger that.

The regs aren't exactly a model of clarity, but on most things they are sufficiently clear to put you on notice that something is illegal. That is all that is required. It doesn't justify failing to read or wholesale ignoring what is written because some of it in some other section might have been worded a bit better.

I fail to understand what you dont find clear. 27.8 lays it out and its straightforward. You can only catch them angling, definition in the regs. Barbless hooks, sizes of sinkers, etc all layed out. These are the only ways to legally take salmon. The regs dont need to say why. But its simple: if you catch a salmon any other way than specified it is illegal and must be released.

I have a question that may have been answered in the regs but if so I missed it. Let us say we are jigging for rock fish with the common set up of lead jig below and a rock fish fly or hoochie a foot or two above the lead jig. Only one pole and reel are on the yak. Both lures have only a single shank barbless hook. A legal in season salmon is hooked and landed. Legal to keep?

Im not sure where youre confusion lies. Those all seem pretty straight forward.

Some people think the wording in the salmon regs has the same meaning as the wording in the sturgeon regs regarding using barbless hooks. Same wording, same meaning. Different wording, different meaning. I have not seen any gear restriction on method of take for salmon that disallows using barbed hooks if you are striper fishing and don't have any salmon on board. Some people believe otherwise.

Why are you talking in 3rd person, "some people"?  I think "you" think there are different meanings, although I'm not sure what different meaning you think they are.  Can you elaborate?

-Allen

2) Barbless Hooks. No more than two (2) single point, single shank barbless hooks shall be used in the ocean north of Point Conception (34° 27’00” N. lat.) when salmon fishing or fishing from any boat or floating device with salmon on board.

As long as there is no bait. One of a few good reasons to go barbless.

I have a question that may have been answered in the regs but if so I missed it. Let us say we are jigging for rock fish with the common set up of lead jig below and a rock fish fly or hoochie a foot or two above the lead jig. Only one pole and reel are on the yak. Both lures have only a single shank barbless hook. A legal in season salmon is hooked and landed. Legal to keep?

Yessir. As long as no hook was tipped with bait.

Thanks. No bait understood.
Allen. I could have been more precise in language but allowed my observations of how others rigged for rock fish to include "some" people as opposed to just using my techniques as a reference point.

Allen. I could have been more precise in language but allowed my observations of how others rigged for rock fish to include "some" people as opposed to just using my techniques as a reference point.

Actually I was talking about Charles' quote.

-Allen