One pole or two on the Napa River?

PS I think I will fight them on this until I scream and then I will take a short pause. Mental? Perhaps 

Traildad:

What does the word "their" mean to you?

If you want more than a dictionary definition you will need to give me context. Quote what was said and I can offer an opinion.

Furthermore, note the use of the possessive "their" in the definition. 

including San Francisco and San Pablo bays plus all their tidal bays, tidal portions of their rivers and
streams, sloughs and estuaries

Here is the definition of "their".

their
T͟He(ə)r/
determiner
possesive pronoun: their; possesive pronoun: Their; determiner: Their

    1.
    belonging to or associated with the people or things previously mentioned or easily identified.

So the tidal bays, tidal portions of their rivers and streams, sloughs and estuaries belong to the bodies of water previously mentioned!!

This is really plain, simple, and black and white, common definition stuff.

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Furthermore, note the use of the possessive "their" in the definition. 

including San Francisco and San Pablo bays plus all their tidal bays, tidal portions of their rivers and
streams, sloughs and estuaries

Here is the definition of "their".

their
T͟He(ə)r/
determiner
possesive pronoun: their; possesive pronoun: Their; determiner: Their

    1.
    belonging to or associated with the people or things previously mentioned or easily identified.

So the tidal bays, tidal portions of their rivers and streams, sloughs and estuaries belong to the bodies of water previously mentioned!!

This is really plain, simple, and black and white, common definition stuff.

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Not a bad try. Better than just saying live with it. I can accept your definition and that it means the rivers belong to the bays. The thing you are missing is that the rivers that belong to San Pablo bay are not included in the restriction. If they wanted to include the rivers that belong to San Pablo bay they would have said "plus the tidal portions of their rivers" just like they do in 27.00. Also if there was a definition of San Francisco and San Pablo bays and it said for the purposes of these regs, they are defined to include the tidal rivers, then it would be a different story. Sorry but no cigar.

Please don't be an ass and assume that I "just go with the flow" on anything.

Using my signature, ok, but there is a difference between "mental" and whatever this is.

It's a definition. Of course it is for purposes of these regs.

Please don't be an ass and assume that I "just go with the flow" on anything.

Using my signature, ok, but there is a difference between "mental" and whatever this is.

Sorry, I could have made that a little more readable. You said "just accept the way the laws are written", "it's much easier". I said "easier to go with the flow". I was not assuming that you go with the flow. I was responding to your suggestion that I should go with the flow. I will not suggest that you were being an ass for assuming I said something I did not, since I could have written it better. Hope this helps.

It's a definition. Of course it is for purposes of these regs.

But there is no definition that says San Pablo bay includes all its rivers. If they thought it did they would not need to add the words "plus tidal rivers" in section 27.00. That would be like saying San Pablo Bay plus it's tidal rivers plus its tidal rivers. If San Pablo bay was known to mean the bay and the rivers it would be redundant to say tidal rivers again.

It's a definition. Of course it is for purposes of these regs.

But there is no definition that says San Pablo bay includes all its rivers. If they thought it did they would not need to add the words "plus tidal rivers" in section 27.00. That would be like saying San Pablo Bay plus it's tidal rivers plus its tidal rivers. If San Pablo bay was known to mean the bay and the rivers it would be redundant to say tidal rivers again.

Quote 27.00, and bold the part that says "plus tidal rivers".

It's a definition. Of course it is for purposes of these regs.

But there is no definition that says San Pablo bay includes all its rivers. If they thought it did they would not need to add the words "plus tidal rivers" in section 27.00. That would be like saying San Pablo Bay plus it's tidal rivers plus its tidal rivers. If San Pablo bay was known to mean the bay and the rivers it would be redundant to say tidal rivers again.

Quote 27.00, and bold the part that says "plus tidal rivers".

It's a definition of the district, not San Pablo bay. The district consists of ... San Pablo bay and its tidal rivers etc. Not San Pablo bay consists of the bay and its tidal rivers. This is pretty basic and should not have any room for confusion.

Finally we have this.
27.56. TAKE GENERAL. Except as otherwise provided, there are no closed seasons, closed hours or minimum size limits on fin fish in the Pacific Ocean including all saltwater bays except that in San Francisco Bay between the Golden Gate Bridge and the Carquinez Bridge and in saltwater tributaries to the bay within the area bounded by Interstate 80 and Highways 17, 101 and 37 finfish may not be taken between one hour after sunset to one hour before sunrise except from shore or piers.

Again they don't say San Francisco Bay and let us assume the rest. They carefully and precisely define the area the regs covers.

So the regs just demonstrates that the department knows exactly how to carve out an area subject to greater restrictions by using defined boundaries. The third area here - between the bridges but outside the defined bounded area - is not subject to the restriction.

Hmmmm

I am amazed this thread is still going. Below are quotes of the regulations stating only 1 rod is allowed when fishing on the Napa River. The lines highlighted in green are the regulations for the Napa River between Oakville Cross Road Bridge near Yountville to the Trancas Bridge. The lines highlighted in red are for The Napa River below the Trancas Bridge.

From page 9 of the 2014 Freshwater Sport Fishing Regulations:
https://nrm.dfg.ca.gov/FileHandler.ashx?DocumentID=76652

A Second-Rod Validation is required to fish with two rods in inland waters in any sport fishery in which the regulations of the Commission provide for the taking of fish by angling, except those waters in which only artificial lures or barbless hooks may be used.

From page 15:

(129) Napa River and tributaries (Napa Co.). Also see section 8.00(b).
(A) Main stem above the Oakville Cross Road Bridge near Yountville and all Napa River tributaries.
Closed to all fishing all year.
(B) Main stem from the Oakville Cross Road Bridge near Yountville to the Trancas Bridge. Note: The Napa River below the Trancas Bridge is tidewater, and is under regulations for the Ocean and San Francisco Bay District (see Sections 1.53 and 27.00).
Fourth Saturday in May through Mar. 31. Only artificial lures with barbless hooks may be used from the fourth Saturday in May through Oct. 31. Only barbless hooks may be used from Nov. 1 through Mar. 31.

So you can only use 1 rod between Oakville Cross Road Bridge near Yountville to the Trancas Bridge. The second rod validation is not applicable here because you are allowed to use only artificial lures or barbless hooks.

From page 27 of 2014 Ocean Sport Fishing Regulations:
https://nrm.dfg.ca.gov/FileHandler.ashx?DocumentID=77722&inline=true

27.00. DEFINITION. The Ocean and San Francisco Bay District consists of the open seas adjacent to the coast and islands or in the waters of those open or enclosed bays contiguous to the ocean, and including San Francisco and San Pablo bays plus all their tidal bays, tidal portions of their rivers and streams, sloughs and estuaries between the Golden Gate Bridge and Carquinez Bridge, and the waters of Elkhorn Slough, west of Elkhorn Road between Castroville and Watsonville. Also see Section 1.53.

And page 43:

28.65. GENERAL. Except as provided in this article, fin fish may be taken only on hook and line or by hand. Any number of hooks and lines may be used in all ocean waters and bays except:
(a) San Francisco and San Pablo bays between the Golden Gate Bridge and the west Carquinez Bridge, where only one line with not more than three hooks may be used.

So only 1 rod allowed below the Trancas Bridge.

When in doubt, read ALL the regulations.

Traildad has got to be trolling y'all.  I mean, this is too insane for it to be anything else.   

Tim, that explanation was excellent, but my 6th sense tells me this is not the end.

Traildad has got to be trolling y'all.  I mean, this is too insane for it to be anything else.   

alien? Fish and game warden? Sh.t disturber? J.k. traildad

Traildad has got to be trolling y'all.  I mean, this is too insane for it to be anything else.   

alien? Fish and game warden? Sh.t disturber? J.k. traildad

Character assassination instead of substance. I guess if that's all you got.