Caspar rebar experiment 7-23

Yeah guys I m just excited to try something new thats all. Just the ADD in me.

Forebay looks like it is on fire, forecast 102 today... Those reports look like fun though.

So, I'm tying up some 12" x 1/2" rebar, 12 oz, and testing it's sound,  might as well get scientific, so I get out my electronic pitch pipe (amazing electronic thing, and cheap) and it registers G Sharp/F/DSharp, but no E, depending on how hard and where it is hit.  Will it be music to lings?  Stay tuned.  (groan)
   
   

So, I'm tying up some 12" x 1/2" rebar, 12 oz, and testing it's sound,  might as well get scientific, so I get out my electronic pitch pipe (amazing electronic thing, and cheap) and it registers G Sharp/F/DSharp, but no E, depending on how hard and where it is hit.  Will it be music to lings?  Stay tuned.  (groan)
   
   

Tom: you might want to try some lighter weights.  Lings like G sharp; I can tell.

Guys, I hate to be a party pooper, but... dinglebar gear may be illegal in many parts of the ocean.

Just recently the PFMC adopted "Essential Fish Habitat" regulations banning bottom dragging gear in 75% of the EEZ. Then there are "Habitat Areas of Particular Concern" which for sure ban dinglebar gear. The reason being it tears up the bottom along with the habitat.

The EFH regs were pretty complicated and involved special regulations in many different regions of the ocean, in federal and state waters.

I believe "bottom tending gear" does not include dingle bar gear.

Dude....

How can you post on other threads yet?   

We are dying to hear the news of Elk!!!!!

MolBasser

Bottom-tending gear, bottom contact gear, all kinds of restrictions apply, depending on the area.

The recent extension of the Channel Islands Marine Reserves, out into federal waters, was in part an EFH designation through the federal groundfish management plan. I'd have to look at the recently published federal rulemaking, but I believe the Council adopted a no dinglebar rule in some or all HAPC areas, like Cordell banks, estuaries. The rule was published Friday but I haven't read it yet.

I had to make a special effort to get spearfishing gear allowed in HAPC areas so the restrictions on bottom-contact gear were pretty tight.

Caspar is not a HAPC or have any other special designation, not to mention most of the regs in the groundfish FMP are intended for commercial fisheries.  Cordell is closed for rockies...period.  It doesnt matter if you never touch the bottom.

The PFMC will not be directly regulating kayaks directly anytime soon.  So unless its banned in the DFG code, the groundfish FMP doesn't mean squat to yak anglers, or anyone else for that matter.  Especially when the man is just playing with tackle.  There is no effective difference between his experiment, and bouncing a jig.

I see no reason to spread broad unfounded political hysteria when we have real $hit to focus on.

Ah man, I'm guessing that means the "tickler chain" on my 2 meter mini-bottom trawl has to go.  I was just getting ready to bust that out and trawl for some POP (pacific ocean perch) off my kayak.

Seriously though.... the rebar experiment is nothing more than a glorified sinker. 

THANK YOU! 

Seriously though.... the rebar experiment is nothing more than a glorified sinker. 

Word.

I don't even think it is very glorified.

MolBasser

Caspar is not a HAPC or have any other special designation, not to mention most of the regs in the groundfish FMP are intended for commercial fisheries.  Cordell is closed for rockies...period.  It doesnt matter if you never touch the bottom.

The PFMC will not be directly regulating kayaks directly anytime soon.  So unless its banned in the DFG code, the groundfish FMP doesn't mean squat to yak anglers, or anyone else for that matter.  Especially when the man is just playing with tackle.  There is no effective difference between his experiment, and bouncing a jig.

I see no reason to spread broad unfounded political hysteria when we have real $hit to focus on.

It's the same $hit! LOL!

EFH = MPAs... I am not trying to spread hysteria, just reporting on the recent Council decision.

The Groundfish FMP regulates all our rockfishing opportunities, whether you fish from a kayak or a party boat, or commercially.

Here it is from Ammendment 19 to the Groundfish FMP:

6.6.3 Bottom-contact Gear
In order to mitigate the adverse impacts of fishing on groundfish EFH, the Council may impose restrictions on a range of gear types collectively termed bottom-contact gear. These are gear types that are designed or modified to make contact with the sea floor during normal use. This includes, but is not limited to, beam trawl, bottom trawl, dredge, fixed gear, set net, demersal seine, dinglebar gear, and other gear (including experimental gear) designed or modified to make contact with the bottom.


I wasn't saying it was illegal at Caspar - but they did close about 1100 sq. miles to bottom-contact gear in California. Mostly it does not affect kayakers, but it does affect recreational fishing. Most significantly the extension of the Channel Island Marine reserves into federal waters.

Sorry if I caused any confusion!

That is most poorly worded thing I have ever read.

By that amendment you could not use weights, and the dropshot technique would be banned.

@#%@##$%@ retarded language.

MolBasser

Wow that is really bad. So I can fish for rckfish but never touch the bottom????

and other gear (including experimental gear) designed or modified to make contact with the bottom.

    

Who the heck wrote that?

Unbelievable.

MolBasser