2006 NCKA Angler of the Year preliminary announcement

... SPECIFICALLY Lake Tahoe.  ...

Taxonomically speaking, Mackinaw are char, not trout. So wouldn't they be out-of-category for this competition?

I am not participating, so I have no vested interest.

vanim

http://fishsniffer.com/wiza/report.html

Yes Stu you must launch in CA for Lake Tahoe but after that any fish you catch is good for the pool.

and before anyone ask this is an expection for Lake Tahoe it does not apply to the ocean, so no paddling to Alaska 

Thanks for the clarification Bill.  Cave Rock is now out!!!!

Hopefully my trout plans will be either Tahoe (Tahoe City), Donner or Eagle Lake.  In reality, I'll probably not be able to hit any of them.

Stuart

Cave Rock is now out!!!!

Stuart it's only 12 miles across 24 mile round trip if you paddle in a perfectly stright line. If the wind comes up you are done.

Do you want us to post as soon as the fish is caught or weight and see if its the biggest of the year?  I went bass fishing today.

Good question Patrick.  Perhaps all posts should be done within a week of the catch. 

It would not seem right to have a sandbagger come out on New Years Eve with a list of huge fish.

Which opens the door to the question.  How big was your bass?????

Damn, this pot is getting up there.  I need to go fishing BAAAAD!!!

Stuart

17" I can do better but its a good placeholder for now.  The ony problem is I just baught the desposable camera its on and its the only two pictures on it right now.  I dont want to develop it if I dont have to.

... SPECIFICALLY Lake Tahoe.  ...

Taxonomically speaking, Mackinaw are char, not trout. So wouldn't they be out-of-category for this competition?

I am not participating, so I have no vested interest.

vanim

http://fishsniffer.com/wiza/report.html

If you want to get technical about this, there is no scientific basis for "trout".  In fact, it's a polyphyletic (more than one lineage) group.

Here's a run down on the relationships of salmonids (trout and salmon).

• Lake trout, char, dolly varden, and brook trout are all in the genus Salvelinus.
• Steelhead, rainbow trout, cutthroat trout, as well as all the pacific salmon are in the genus Oncorhynchus.
• Atlantic salmon and brown trout are all in the genus Salmo.
• Grayling are alone in the genus Thymallus.

So.. where you draw the line at trout is a bit arbitrary.   Maybe you say trout are freshwater and salmon are anadromous (moving between fresh and salt-water).  What then of steelheadl, which are anadromous rainbow trout?  How about landlocked Atlantic Salmon in the north east?  Or, what about all of the coho and chinook I used to catch as a kid in the great lakes?  Those salmon never saw saltwater in there life, are they just trout?

DFG does weigh in on this here... http://www.dfg.ca.gov/fishing/assets/documents/TroutBooklets/trout1.pdf

Basically according to them, salmon have more than 12 anal fin rays and trout have 12 or less (BTW, according to that rule, Atlantic Salmon would also be trout).   

They do go on to list that in Califonia: brown trout, brook trout, cutthroat trout, rainbow trout, steelhead, lake trout, golden trout, and dolly varden are all the "trout", and the coho and chinook are "salmon".


-Brian

Give me another week on the pool app and if I don't have it working by then I will setup a forum to hold the entries for a while.

Brain, thanks for the trout clarifaction, I will update the rules to be clearer.

Mike,

24 miles is a Bluekayak like trip.
Tahoe scares crapper out of me.  Donner is a lot more protected being so low, but I have had poor success there. 


Brian,
Thanks for the biology lesson.

I’ve wondered how an average person, say fishing the Klamath River, could tell the difference between a 12” coho, steelhead and a rainbow.  All 3 species co-exist in that river, as well as other NW rivers.  Also, I believe they all have white gums.  Is counting the Anal fin rays the only way to distinguish these 3 apart from one another?  Is it 100% accurate?

Here’s maybe a philosophical question:
Is it possible to catch landlocked steelhead?  Heard there were some in Lake Sonoma.  OR, is it really just a rainbow?

One last one, Kokanee is landlocked salmon, right?

Thanks,
Stuart

Heh Bill,

One of the prizes for the pool could be a digital camera.......and golden arrow could target it..........

I'll give you my money on Saturday.

Pat

Is it possible to catch landlocked steelhead?  Heard there were some in Lake Sonoma.  OR, is it really just a rainbow?

Stuart I was only kidding about Tahoe, it would take me a whole day to paddle 1 way.
Landlocked Steelheed good question if you read down aways on this coastside link you will see there are a lot of opinions on the fish in Sonoma.
I'm no expert but they look more silver and are longer than most rainbows I have caught from other lakes.
West side of Eagle lake would be perfect for kayaks as long as the wind stays down. 

http://www.coastsidefishingclub.com/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=freshwater&Number=218551&Searchpage=1&Main=218028&Words=sonoma&topic=&Search=true#Post218551

I wonder if anyone can tell the difference between a silver (coho) and a steelhead if caught in the ocean?  Same q if on the river.

Hey Mike,
When (if I ever get the chance) I go sturgeon fishing, will santa come visit me and drop off some bait??  I've been a good boy!!!
Stuart

Stuart,

Kokanee and sockeye salmon are both the same species Oncorhynchus nerka, kokanee being a landlocked variety.

As for landlocked steelhead, I've caught them in the Great Lakes growing up.  Now the only reason I think they were called steelhead at that point was that they spent their adult lives moving back and forth from between the lake (which they mistake for the ocean) and the rivers.   

Brian

When (if I ever get the chance) I go sturgeon fishing, will santa come visit me and drop off some bait??  I've been a good boy!!!
Stuart
 

Stuart you are a little out of the way Erik's house is about 2 blocks from where I work.
But I'll tell you what if you want to hit SPB you give me a little notice I'll pump shrimp and meet you at Sonoma Creek,Napa river Buck's or China Camp.
I really enjoy pumping shrimp it's like part of the sturgeon fishing. Matter of fact Max and I pumped today want to go Friday?