A dumbass move followed by a skunk - and still a nice day!

Just this morning i was hollering over to my buddy, Brian to check if i had put the dam thing back. I think im liking the idea of never removing it.

im takin my ass to purchase a bunch of noodles within the next few days as i go out solo sometimes.i dont know about the air filled floats.......with my luck they would pop or deflate(not to mention i sometimes throw crab inside the hull.)thanks for the post!

I'm starting to think the dumbass move was made by Wilderness Systems when they put a hole in the hull that dips below the waterline.  I'm certain there's others out there that have done the same.  Glad your okay.   

I'm starting to think the dumbass move was made by Wilderness Systems when they put a hole in the hull that dips below the waterline.  I'm certain there's others out there that have done the same.  Glad your okay.   

No Doubt - critical design flaw IMHO.

Good to hear you recovered OK.

I'm starting to think the dumbass move was made by Wilderness Systems when they put a hole in the hull that dips below the waterline.  I'm certain there's others out there that have done the same.  Glad your okay.   

I sent WS an email suggesting a design change.  I'll post their reply if I receive one.

Great recovery, especially where you continued with fishing.

The dumbass move was for kayak manufacturers to put the drain plug where water can flood into your yak when you are paddling.  My yak's plug is almost at the highest point of the yak when upright.

Great recovery, especially where you continued with fishing.

The dumbass move was for kayak manufacturers to put the drain plug where water can flood into your yak when you are paddling.  My yak's plug is almost at the highest point of the yak when upright.

The drain plug on my Trident 15 is at the tip of my bow or close where is the drain plug on the 160?

With another kayaker on a steady kayak there is an easier way to go about this depending how much crap you have stored inside your kayak.
I know this from rescuing others.
Open the front hatch.
Roll the kayak upside down.
Have the person on the steady kayak lift the bow as you gently push down on the stern (this helps bring the bow up a bit).
The person on the steady kayak places the tip of the bow on his kayak.
As soon as the front hatch clears the water just a tiny bit it will start to drain. It only needs a little gap between the hatch and water to start to drain. It is a slow process at first because of how heavy the kayak is. The draining actually picks up momentum as the kayak becomes lighter because more of it can be lifted out of the water. Just keep sliding the bow higher onto the rescuing kayak.
It will not drain the kayak completely, but it will remove enough water so the kayak will be manageable.
If there is gear inside the kayak then remove it and stow it in the tankwell of the stable kayak before you roll the kayak upside down..

 I was amazed at how unstable and slow a little water inside the hull will make a kayak. It can make you freak out if you don't keep a cool head. Way to go ganoderma on handling the situation like an old salt and charging in rough conditions. It was nice to meet you.

 Imagine how much harder the situation would have been had you filled your boat with as much gear as I see other people bring with them.

I lost my drain plug somewhere on I-80 once, which was a serious downer on my days fishing. I ordered 3 replacements, so i always have a spare.

Then M'Lady accidentally threw out the bag containing the three replacements, but that's another story.

Great recovery, especially where you continued with fishing.

The dumbass move was for kayak manufacturers to put the drain plug where water can flood into your yak when you are paddling.  My yak's plug is almost at the highest point of the yak when upright.

The drain plug on my Trident 15 is at the tip of my bow or close where is the drain plug on the 160?

Having it located there actually makes this thing more difficult to drain than a topside plug.  I can't think of any good reason to have it there. The really bad thing is that since its above the waterline it fills slowly as wind waves or chop bob the yak up and down.  It gives you enough time to paddle away from the launch without noticing anything.  As more water gets in, the yak gets heavier and keeps the plug below the waterline and it pours in fast from there.  By the time you notice it the hull is already full. 

bennetvilledan,

I have an outback and when it went over  (fins up!)at Del Valle my kayak had a good 3" of water in it. I don't know where it came from, my plug was in, but I too couldn't couldn't get the "lead sled" turn over. It took Stormscambler to help me then I rode it in.

Having a hand pump is a good idea. Great lesson learned.

With another kayaker on a steady kayak there is an easier way to go about this depending how much crap you have stored inside your kayak.
I know this from rescuing others.
Open the front hatch.
Roll the kayak upside down.
Have the person on the steady kayak lift the bow as you gently push down on the stern (this helps bring the bow up a bit).
The person on the steady kayak places the tip of the bow on his kayak.
As soon as the front hatch clears the water just a tiny bit it will start to drain. It only needs a little gap between the hatch and water to start to drain. It is a slow process at first because of how heavy the kayak is. The draining actually picks up momentum as the kayak becomes lighter because more of it can be lifted out of the water. Just keep sliding the bow higher onto the rescuing kayak.
It will not drain the kayak completely, but it will remove enough water so the kayak will be manageable.
If there is gear inside the kayak then remove it and stow it in the tankwell of the stable kayak before you roll the kayak upside down..

I have done that kind of assisted rescue in the past. Pretty easy with SIK kayaks. There are a few reasons why it would have been difficult in this case:

1. The kayaker assisting me was a beginner who had rented his boat. He was having difficulty just leaning and putting weight on my kayak without falling in himself. He wouldn't have been able to deal with a water-filed upside down kayak across his deck.

2. My kayak has flotation bags fore and aft, so there is no room to stash my one-piece rod inside.

3. I have a rod holder installed near the bow. It would have hung up on his deck and prevented me from sliding my boat any further.

Believe me, I would have tried it if I thought it was do-able. Pumping water for 15 minutes while immersed in 50 degree water is a lot less fun than an assisted rescue.

Great recovery, especially where you continued with fishing.

The dumbass move was for kayak manufacturers to put the drain plug where water can flood into your yak when you are paddling.  My yak's plug is almost at the highest point of the yak when upright.

The drain plug on my Trident 15 is at the tip of my bow or close where is the drain plug on the 160?

Having it located there actually makes this thing more difficult to drain than a topside plug.  I can't think of any good reason to have it there. The really bad thing is that since its above the waterline it fills slowly as wind waves or chop bob the yak up and down.  It gives you enough time to paddle away from the launch without noticing anything.  As more water gets in, the yak gets heavier and keeps the plug below the waterline and it pours in fast from there.  By the time you notice it the hull is already full. 

That's exactly how it went down. I had paddled around one mile before the boat started behaving weirdly. From the time it started rolling slightly until it completely filled with water was around 5 minutes.

1. The kayaker assisting me was a beginner who had rented his boat. He was having difficulty just leaning and putting weight on my kayak without falling in himself. He wouldn't have been able to deal with a water-filed upside down kayak across his deck

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Switch positions.

2. My kayak has flotation bags fore and aft, so there is no room to stash my one-piece rod inside.

Hold onto it or put it on the rescuers kayak.

3. I have a rod holder installed near the bow. It would have hung up on his deck and prevented me from sliding my boat any further.

Remove it.