Full Fishing Closure?

I get this... but they don’t need to close fishing to stop travel, they just need to enforce the SIP protocols if travel is the issue they want to address. People are traveling up to Tahoe/Truckee with impunity and closing fishing to a person who lives here isn’t the solution to stopping them.

What is, though?
The only way I can think of would be a massive increase in law-enforcement staffing to run checkpoints everywhere.
Up here at least, the approach seems to be based on the idea that if everything is closed so there is nothing for a tourist to do, tourists won't come here. It's kinda working, not perfectly but it's a lot easier to make that happen than to create and enforce checkpoints on the highways.

I also get that...  but two nights ago, the second home across the street from me became occupied again by the folks who live in Monterey full time and use this house about 10% of the time. They have been back and forth four times in the last 45 days, Since they don’t participate in fishing, a closure doesn’t impact their decision.

Most of the lakes and streams up here are open year round, Some with restrictions, but most without. Boca Reservoir is 5 minutes from my house where I can catch a trout, but Safeway is 20 minutes away for me to buy a trout, and deal with all of the people in the store While I’m doing it.

If you want to stop travel in general, you’re not going to do it by closing the parks and fishing. You stop travel by creating a penalty high enough for traveling that people don’t do it. This half-ass approach we have now means that a lot of good people will argue what they think is right and at the same time making an effort to do the right thing. The people who are entitled and don’t give a damn, will continue to travel any distance they want, to do whatever they want, and potentially spread this thing around as they go. I just have to look out the front window of my house to see that concept in action. I like the folks well enough, but they obviously did not get the memo.

I agree with you, if the goal is stopping travel then they should be addressing that directly, with restrictions and checkpoints. The problem with that is, of course, it's unconstitutional and would trigger a backlash. (Although I did just read that some states are doing this - Florida, Texas, and Rhode Island - and already getting sued.)

We have exactly the same problem here, vacationers defying the SIP orders, leading to some ill will (and a lot of self-righteousness) among residents.  Turns out, we're not really "all in this together" after all.

There is going to be some tension on May 1 if rockfish season opens but nobody is allowed onto the water...

I get this... but they don’t need to close fishing to stop travel, they just need to enforce the SIP protocols if travel is the issue they want to address. People are traveling up to Tahoe/Truckee with impunity and closing fishing to a person who lives here isn’t the solution to stopping them.

What is, though?
The only way I can think of would be a massive increase in law-enforcement staffing to run checkpoints everywhere.
Up here at least, the approach seems to be based on the idea that if everything is closed so there is nothing for a tourist to do, tourists won't come here. It's kinda working, not perfectly but it's a lot easier to make that happen than to create and enforce checkpoints on the highways.

I also get that...  but two nights ago, the second home across the street from me became occupied again by the folks who live in Monterey full time and use this house about 10% of the time. They have been back and forth four times in the last 45 days, Since they don’t participate in fishing, a closure doesn’t impact their decision.

Most of the lakes and streams up here are open year round, Some with restrictions, but most without. Boca Reservoir is 5 minutes from my house where I can catch a trout, but Safeway is 20 minutes away for me to buy a trout, and deal with all of the people in the store While I’m doing it.

If you want to stop travel in general, you’re not going to do it by closing the parks and fishing. You stop travel by creating a penalty high enough for traveling that people don’t do it. This half-ass approach we have now means that a lot of good people will argue what they think is right and at the same time making an effort to do the right thing. The people who are entitled and don’t give a damn, will continue to travel any distance they want, to do whatever they want, and potentially spread this thing around as they go. I just have to look out the front window of my house to see that concept in action. I like the folks well enough, but they obviously did not get the memo.

Maybe an anonymous letter stating the concerns of your neighborhood.

Maybe an anonymous letter stating the concerns of your neighborhood.

That's the most interesting phraseology for "burn their house down" that I've ever seen.

Maybe an anonymous letter stating the concerns of your neighborhood.

That's the most interesting phraseology for "burn their house down" that I've ever seen.

That could be added into the terminology of the letter you mail the idiot about the neighborhoods concerns. Better?? But your idea works too!

was anyone on the call today?  Any news on what was decided?

I agree with the limitations to our movement, but there are the morons that think they don’t have to follow them. I’ve seen few people out for a cruise on there bikes, people driving to the coast for some R/R. How about 0 Bail for those people that want to break the law. Break the law get booked then set free. That makes sense I guess. But yet we get upset because a few people want to fish in a lake. Not everyone can live five minutes from a lake.  Last time I looked the majority of lakes had a posted sign that said public not private. It seems that a lot are more concerned about me instead of us.

Last time I looked the majority of lakes had a posted sign that said public not private. It seems that a lot are more concerned about me instead of us.

I'll admit, that stung, but I'm the one that made me appear to be guilty as charged. I also had tried to convince the Mrs. a couple of weeks back that I could make the 4-hour down and back to fish ARW without interacting with a single soul, but I got the "look with extra animosity" and that idea was quietly discarded. I do think there is a difference in what is local to you, and for folks in Alameda, I don't see why they can't go out and chase a butt, even though I cannot.  I am concerned for "us" because it's real easy for "officials" to close and/or delay, but it's also easy for those same officials to not re-open it later when we think they should. I also know, from what I see through my window and while I'm out performing my critical infrastructure job, the travel restrictions are not stopping the flow of people that are coming here. On the plus side though, it does mean less people down there for some of you to deal with...

I will also admit, I look forward to the replies from Crash...

was anyone on the call today?  Any news on what was decided?

California Fish and Game Commission Meets Remotely, Allows CDFW to Temporarily Delay, Restrict or Suspend Fisheries Where Needed to Prevent the Spread of Coronavirus


https://cdfgnews.wordpress.com/2020/04/15/california-fish-and-game-commission-meets-remotely-allows-cdfw-to-temporarily-delay-restrict-or-suspend-fisheries-where-needed-to-prevent-the-spread-of-coronavirus/?fbclid=IwAR2VaZjjlosmh93xfcWJwktBW53Jbwr6DTe0vM9UUe0GtaPrnwFJ-8P4Gm0

was anyone on the call today?  Any news on what was decided?

California Fish and Game Commission Meets Remotely, Allows CDFW to Temporarily Delay, Restrict or Suspend Fisheries Where Needed to Prevent the Spread of Coronavirus


https://cdfgnews.wordpress.com/2020/04/15/california-fish-and-game-commission-meets-remotely-allows-cdfw-to-temporarily-delay-restrict-or-suspend-fisheries-where-needed-to-prevent-the-spread-of-coronavirus/?fbclid=IwAR2VaZjjlosmh93xfcWJwktBW53Jbwr6DTe0vM9UUe0GtaPrnwFJ-8P4Gm0

Well that's not promising

I was on the call for the first couple hours. They reassured everyone that there was no intention for a full closure, only for those fisheries and in those counties and tribal areas where they had a request from local government. My county supervisor asked for what amounts to a local veto power over proposed emergency actions. It’s what we discussed last week when I contacted him, and Del Norte and Trinity Counties both made the same request on the call. I could live with that if that’s how it works.

I’d expect the delay of the trout openers in Inyo, mono, and alpine counties is imminent.

I was on the call for the first couple hours. They reassured everyone that there was no intention for a full closure, only for those fisheries and in those counties and tribal areas where they had a request from local government. My county supervisor asked for what amounts to a local veto power over proposed emergency actions. It’s what we discussed last week when I contacted him, and Del Norte and Trinity Counties both made the same request on the call. I could live with that if that’s how it works.

I’d expect the delay of the trout openers in Inyo, mono, and alpine counties is imminent.

Thank you. I appreciate your consistent and calm response.

 Hopefully, the counties that are requesting closures are "surgical" with the closures and do not just close the entire county.  I live in Placer County; which stretches from near Sacramento to the Nevada border.  (Truckee River and Folsom Lake and everything in between.)  I do not know where the County stands as far as closures go but many of our lakes and waterways are closed to vehicles; which makes launching a kayak difficult so all that we have left is bank fishing after a hike.  I for one am looking forward to the easing of restrictions.

I was on the call for the first couple hours. They reassured everyone that there was no intention for a full closure, only for those fisheries and in those counties and tribal areas where they had a request from local government. My county supervisor asked for what amounts to a local veto power over proposed emergency actions. It’s what we discussed last week when I contacted him, and Del Norte and Trinity Counties both made the same request on the call. I could live with that if that’s how it works.

I’d expect the delay of the trout openers in Inyo, mono, and alpine counties is imminent.

Thanks man I know you understand the regulations and also thanks for teaching me about fishing the points when I was up at Trinidad..  that was the same day I got to meet Mr. Stockwell (that was like 6 years ago) real world knowledge