pvc strength +kayak cart?

          How strong is 1 1/2" pvc pipe for a cart ?  Has anyone ever broken  one. 80 to 100 lbs , rough terrain.Has anyone had a failure of the blue  Oatey Lo-Voc  pvc cement?

save the money, time and frustration and buy wheelez. now home made one will work as well (or even close) over soft sand, mud. stairs or riprap

          How strong is 1 1/2" pvc pipe for a cart ?  Has anyone ever broken  one. 100 lbs , rough terrain.Has anyone had a failure of the blue  Oatey Lo-Voc  pvc cement?

I think everyone who has built one has broken one.....

          How strong is 1 1/2" pvc pipe for a cart ?  Has anyone ever broken  one. 100 lbs , rough terrain.Has anyone had a failure of the blue  Oatey Lo-Voc  pvc cement?

I think everyone who has built one has broken one.....

Yes indeed, I'm a real DIY and after many versions, even with the wheeleze wheels on a home made cart, I finally threw in the towel and got one from wheeleze.

Here's a tip on buying a wheeleze cart, (I can't see where you live so this may not make sense for you).

Buy it thru Hook1, their price is lower than the wheeleze over the counter price and they give NCKA a 10% discount. Wheeleze is in Benicia, arrange with Hook1 and Wheeleze to go pick up the cart instead of having it shipped.   Worked for me, but I live in Martinez.

          How strong is 1 1/2" pvc pipe for a cart ?  Has anyone ever broken  one. 100 lbs , rough terrain.Has anyone had a failure of the blue  Oatey Lo-Voc  pvc cement?

I think everyone who has built one has broken one.....

Yes indeed, I'm a real DIY and after many versions, even with the wheeleze wheels on a home made cart, I finally threw in the towel and got one from wheeleze.

me too Dale...I HAVE TO TRY AND MAKE ONE MYSELF 1ST

Shhh, I kind of enjoy watching/hearing about pvc cart failures.... it's favorite form of schadenfreude.

Shhh, I kind of enjoy watching/hearing about pvc cart failures.... it's favorite form of schadenfreude.

Well in that case.......

The last one I broke was at Stillwater North, there are a few irregular stone steps from the rocky upper beach up onto the level paved walkway, seemed like I couldn't just pull the yak up that last step,  (it was also my last scupper hole cart), anyhow, I figured I'd just back it up a foot or 2 and get a little run at the step and it would come right up.  Well the yak did, but the wheels stayed behind, the cart had sheared off completely and evenly leaving the axle portion with the wheels and the rest still firmly attached to the yak.


Got lucky, no damage to the yak, and a friendly ab diver who (after we got done laughing about it.) helped me carry the yak back to the truck.

Shhh, I kind of enjoy watching/hearing about pvc cart failures.... it's favorite form of schadenfreude.

Well in that case.......

The last one I broke was at Stillwater North, there are a few irregular stone steps from the rocky upper beach up onto the level paved walkway, seemed like I couldn't just pull the yak up that last step,  (it was also my last scupper hole cart), anyhow, I figured I'd just back it up a foot or 2 and get a little run at the step and it would come right up.  Well the yak did, but the wheels stayed behind, the cart had sheared off completely and evenly leaving the axle portion with the wheels and the rest still firmly attached to the yak.


Got lucky, no damage to the yak, and a friendly ab diver who (after we got done laughing about it.) helped me carry the yak back to the truck.

We need videos.....haha schadenfreude

My story on cheaping out on a kayak cart..

It's 2005, I just bought my first kayak, a Hobie Outback, and needed to get that thing from my car to fishing spots so started looking at kayak carts. I checked on the internet and just about crapped my pants when I saw that most were over $100. A few bars of aluminum and tires for that, I thought. I looked a little more and found a few lightweight (duh!) scupper carts that only ran $50 or so. Without thought I grabbed one and got down to fishing.

Right away I realized it was a real biotch to get the thing on and off the cart. I had to halfway flip the thing over just to get it seated. It wasn't that bad when I was getting ready and I had an empty yak but when I just got back and was on the beach with a full yak and dead tired, dare I say it sucked. I'd do my best to take as little off my yak and turn it on it's side to get the cart set. I'd always dump something off that'd get smashed or covered in dirt and sand. Who knows how much stuff I lost because of that stupid cart. Then When it came to going over rough terrain it just bogged and with little support and 1/2" of foam between my cart and yak it was a jarring ride.

So then the fateful day came. I arrived at my favorite place to rockfish and got things ready like any other day. Little did I know that the plastic spoked on this crap-o-rama cart were cracking as I loaded up the yak for the 20th time. Seems a 1/8" thick plastic wheel doesn't do a good job of holding up a loaded 85# kayak. I went fishing and had a pretty good day. Tankwell full of fish and beat from the summer heat I got to loading the yak on the cart on a crowded beach. Of course I  dumped something and this time it was my stringer of fish. 10 rockfish fully coated in sand flapping around. So I got to lugging the full yak back to the car. On the way back there was a set of five 3" stairs I had to go up. Not too bad but  the jarring wasn't fun. I had the last of a paved 200 yard stretch left to the car and took a quick breather. I got to pulling when I heard a POP!! SMASH!! I looked back to see my cart severely leaning to one side. I look back and one wheel's spokes had given and had collapsed and stranded me with a loaded heavy yak. I thought about all the crap this cart had given me and how I cheaped out on it. It was beyond repair and even if I could I didn't want the cursed contraption. As my blood came to a boil I used that energy to pull the yak back to the car anyway. The sound of plastic and cheap metal grinding the asphalt behind me beach goers gave me the strangest looks. But I could care less. This cart was gonna get my gear back to the car no matter what the sacrifice. This bugger was gonna go down as the lesson of buying cheap crap.

By the time I got to the car I had ground down the wheel to the hub. There was this strange satisfaction at seeing the scraped metal and melted, twisted plastic. Lesson learned..

Z

I tried a few different ideas before the advent of a kayak art was mainstream; none of which left the premises.
I bought a kayak cart by Primex which was a bit pricey but way better than what I had. It worked great on a hard flat surface.
At an end of the year sale at a North Shore kayak shop there was a set of Wheeleze on sale for $139. I didn't need it but I figured it was a pretty good bang for the buck. After the swelling in my ear subsided from the GF trying to talk me out of buying it; I bought it.
The first time I used the Wheeleze was at Van Damme. Small boulders, sand, and driftwood mix.
Using the Primex cart there was about equal to dragging the kayak over the mix but saved the hull from getting scraped up.
The first time I used the Wheeleze my thoughts wandered off. It was as if I was pulling a golf cart across the smoothest fairway ever. But when I saw beams of light break through the clouds and heard the angels sing from above I knew that Wheeleze was like Heaven and it was the only way to go.  
Think of all the things you could be doing instead of trying to improve on perfection. Roleze/Wheeleze...The ONLY way to go.

Here's a picture of my first DIY cart.  It didn't break for long time because the pvc tubing had wood dowels glued in them to give them strength.  I also inserted a rubber hose over the portion of the tubing that went into the scupper hole to cushion the impact between the yak and the cart.  I didn't want to create any cracks in the scupper holes as a result of the weight, stress and bumpy roads.  However, it finally met its match on a rocky windy road and finally cracked.  I repaired it and will now only use it on paved smooth roads.

Gary

Here's a picture of my DIY cart using go kart wheels.  I never did get the hubs to spin right and the wheels would dig into the sand so this was a lesson in humility.  It was fun to see it take shape though...

Gary

Finally I got it right, spent the bucks and got a Wheelez from Hook1.  I've tortured it on some rough trails and IMHO you can't do better. 

Gary

save your time and money and get the wheel ezz cart it is the best out theere and you can take it though rocks mud sand dirt and any thing else

My story on cheaping out on a kayak cart..

It's 2005, I just bought my first kayak, a Hobie Outback, and needed to get that thing from my car to fishing spots so started looking at kayak carts. I checked on the internet and just about crapped my pants when I saw that most were over $100. A few bars of aluminum and tires for that, I thought. I looked a little more and found a few lightweight (duh!) scupper carts that only ran $50 or so. Without thought I grabbed one and got down to fishing.

Right away I realized it was a real biotch to get the thing on and off the cart. I had to halfway flip the thing over just to get it seated. It wasn't that bad when I was getting ready and I had an empty yak but when I just got back and was on the beach with a full yak and dead tired, dare I say it sucked. I'd do my best to take as little off my yak and turn it on it's side to get the cart set. I'd always dump something off that'd get smashed or covered in dirt and sand. Who knows how much stuff I lost because of that stupid cart. Then When it came to going over rough terrain it just bogged and with little support and 1/2" of foam between my cart and yak it was a jarring ride.

So then the fateful day came. I arrived at my favorite place to rockfish and got things ready like any other day. Little did I know that the plastic spoked on this crap-o-rama cart were cracking as I loaded up the yak for the 20th time. Seems a 1/8" thick plastic wheel doesn't do a good job of holding up a loaded 85# kayak. I went fishing and had a pretty good day. Tankwell full of fish and beat from the summer heat I got to loading the yak on the cart on a crowded beach. Of course I  dumped something and this time it was my stringer of fish. 10 rockfish fully coated in sand flapping around. So I got to lugging the full yak back to the car. On the way back there was a set of five 3" stairs I had to go up. Not too bad but  the jarring wasn't fun. I had the last of a paved 200 yard stretch left to the car and took a quick breather. I got to pulling when I heard a POP!! SMASH!! I looked back to see my cart severely leaning to one side. I look back and one wheel's spokes had given and had collapsed and stranded me with a loaded heavy yak. I thought about all the crap this cart had given me and how I cheaped out on it. It was beyond repair and even if I could I didn't want the cursed contraption. As my blood came to a boil I used that energy to pull the yak back to the car anyway. The sound of plastic and cheap metal grinding the asphalt behind me beach goers gave me the strangest looks. But I could care less. This cart was gonna get my gear back to the car no matter what the sacrifice. This bugger was gonna go down as the lesson of buying cheap crap.

By the time I got to the car I had ground down the wheel to the hub. There was this strange satisfaction at seeing the scraped metal and melted, twisted plastic. Lesson learned..

Z

Great story, that would have been me. I'm shopping for my first cart and I was thinking of going cheap  too.
Not now