Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
March 20, 2025, 08:38:56 AM

Login with username, password and session length

Recent Topics

[Today at 08:22:46 AM]

[March 19, 2025, 08:09:10 PM]

[March 19, 2025, 06:40:38 PM]

[March 19, 2025, 06:03:01 PM]

[March 19, 2025, 04:25:13 PM]

[March 19, 2025, 02:10:53 PM]

[March 19, 2025, 10:12:09 AM]

[March 19, 2025, 08:39:35 AM]

[March 19, 2025, 07:40:14 AM]

[March 19, 2025, 07:34:44 AM]

[March 19, 2025, 07:01:49 AM]

[March 18, 2025, 03:40:23 PM]

[March 18, 2025, 11:57:00 AM]

[March 18, 2025, 08:29:36 AM]

[March 18, 2025, 08:11:58 AM]

by ezra
[March 17, 2025, 06:41:02 PM]

[March 17, 2025, 12:25:04 PM]

[March 17, 2025, 09:09:04 AM]

[March 17, 2025, 09:00:51 AM]

[March 17, 2025, 08:57:14 AM]

[March 16, 2025, 03:29:42 PM]

[March 16, 2025, 01:20:47 PM]

by batt
[March 15, 2025, 06:55:11 PM]

[March 15, 2025, 01:02:58 PM]

[March 14, 2025, 05:59:21 PM]

[March 14, 2025, 03:27:48 PM]

[March 13, 2025, 09:41:01 PM]

[March 13, 2025, 01:56:36 PM]

Support NCKA

Support the site by making a donation.

Topic: Drip "candle" plastic for kayak repair?  (Read 2015 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

NowhereMan

  • Manatee
  • *****
  • 44.5"/38.5#
  • View Profile YouTube Channel
  • Location: Lexington Hills (Santa Clara County)
  • Date Registered: Aug 2011
  • Posts: 11881
I've got a thin spot (not a hole) on a kayak, and I'd like to add some mass. I could try to patch it from the outside, but that would look kinda crappy, so I was thinking that adding plastic to the inside would be better. I came across this "drip candle" plastic:

https://www.amazon.com/Wintersteiger-Wintersteigter-Drip-Candle-Clear/dp/B009AV1DM4

It is designed for skis and snowboards, but one of the comments claims that it works to repair scratches in kayaks too. Did anybody ever try this on a kayak? In any case, any thoughts on whether it is likely to work on a kayak? If it works, it seems a lot easier than plastic welding...
You wear a disguise to look like human guys
But you're not a man, you're a Chicken Boo


  • View Profile
  • Location: Petaluma Ca
  • Date Registered: Feb 2022
  • Posts: 395
Hi,
I have been using ptex candles to fill in gouges scratched etc.... works great but takes a while to scape them clean afterwards.   Last time I did this I think I went through about 6 sticks.... someday soon my whole kayak will be ptex stick with no old town left.

Troy


NowhereMan

  • Manatee
  • *****
  • 44.5"/38.5#
  • View Profile YouTube Channel
  • Location: Lexington Hills (Santa Clara County)
  • Date Registered: Aug 2011
  • Posts: 11881
Hi,
I have been using ptex candles to fill in gouges scratched etc.... works great but takes a while to scape them clean afterwards.   Last time I did this I think I went through about 6 sticks.... someday soon my whole kayak will be ptex stick with no old town left.

Troy

Thanks for the info. Do you think it's as strong as strong as the original hull material?
You wear a disguise to look like human guys
But you're not a man, you're a Chicken Boo


bluekayak

  • Sea Lion
  • ****
  • View Profile
  • Date Registered: May 2005
  • Posts: 4496
Maybe relevant or not but what methods do pro repair people use?

I’ve wondered this since I rescued someone whose yak sank above Muir cove

It had recently been repaired by a reputable shop


paddler

  • Sand Dab
  • **
  • View Profile
  • Location: mendocoast
  • Date Registered: Sep 2017
  • Posts: 29
I'm not a pro, but have used this technique for many years to repair polyethylene. Practice on a scrap piece of plastic like an old bucket with a crack. You will need a propane torch, an couple of old knives with different shaped tips, and a hot glue gun. Heat the knife tip dull red and carefully soften the damaged area but not to the point where it melts thru. Immediately squeeze hot glue on this primed area and wait a minute or so to semi harden. Take the knife tip to smooth the semi liquid hot glue. Repeat as necessary. Never put hot glue on a cold surface or else it will just peel off.
If repairing a crack it's a good idea to drill a very small hole at each end of the crack to release tension before gluing. Also I find that automotive dent pulling glue sticks are stronger than the hobby grade stick usually used in glue guns.
The satisfaction you get from doing a good deed is like pissing in your wetsuit...it gives you a warm feeling inside but nobody else gives a shit.


NowhereMan

  • Manatee
  • *****
  • 44.5"/38.5#
  • View Profile YouTube Channel
  • Location: Lexington Hills (Santa Clara County)
  • Date Registered: Aug 2011
  • Posts: 11881
I'm not a pro, but have used this technique for many years to repair polyethylene. Practice on a scrap piece of plastic like an old bucket with a crack. You will need a propane torch, an couple of old knives with different shaped tips, and a hot glue gun. Heat the knife tip dull red and carefully soften the damaged area but not to the point where it melts thru. Immediately squeeze hot glue on this primed area and wait a minute or so to semi harden. Take the knife tip to smooth the semi liquid hot glue. Repeat as necessary. Never put hot glue on a cold surface or else it will just peel off.
If repairing a crack it's a good idea to drill a very small hole at each end of the crack to release tension before gluing. Also I find that automotive dent pulling glue sticks are stronger than the hobby grade stick usually used in glue guns.

This is briefly discussed on the Hobie forum too (the first, long and rambling post in the thread):
https://www.hobie.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=4049

Do you think that this as durable as the original plastic?
You wear a disguise to look like human guys
But you're not a man, you're a Chicken Boo


SpeedyStein

  • Sea Lion
  • ****
  • View Profile
  • Location: Concord
  • Date Registered: Sep 2020
  • Posts: 1917
Maybe relevant or not but what methods do pro repair people use?

I’ve wondered this since I rescued someone whose yak sank above Muir cove

It had recently been repaired by a reputable shop

I think pros do actual plastic welding.  Hot iron, heat gun, fresh HDPE filler, and screen mesh to support larger gaps. I think the screen is mostly to keep the shape whole heating and cooling, not for structural purposes.

Heat up both the patch area and the new material, place screen if necessary, then melt new material where needed. Smooth over with heat gun and/or hot plastic welding iron.

I used a propane torch and a putty knife, and it worked great. It's a little ugly because I "caramelized" a little bit, but I have 100% confidence in the integrity of my patch. It is very easy to get a little too hot.



- Kevin


bigjweb

  • Sardine
  • *
  • View Profile
  • Date Registered: Nov 2021
  • Posts: 7
There is a plastic welding shop in Sacramento - https://theplasticsguy.com/plastic-welding


KPD

  • Sea Lion
  • ****
  • View Profile
  • Location: San Mateo
  • Date Registered: Jul 2014
  • Posts: 1748
I have a plastic welding iron that you are welcome to borrow. As paddler said both surfaces have to be hot and melted or it will peel off. Unfortunately, it’s hard to tell if the bond was good. Especially if the area is being flexed it can peel off a few months later. Like others I’ve seen supposedly professional repairs fail.


Clb

  • Salmon
  • ***
  • View Profile
  • Location: Not far enough away from Frisco
  • Date Registered: Aug 2023
  • Posts: 192
To add to the search function..
When I did water treatment,  we had "plastic welders " they looked like a curling iron bot blew super heated air out the end and you used the appropriate filler rod.
#2 added a hot glue gun deal that you fed out molten media.
Any day on the water  beats being in town.


 

anything