NorCal Kayak Anglers
Kayak Zone => Kayaks => Other Kayaks => Topic started by: polepole on February 05, 2014, 12:23:18 PM
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http://blog.nucanoe.com/2014/02/row-row-row-your-frontier-rowing-system.html
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Thoughts?
-Allen
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It's having an identity crisis :smt005
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I think it looks cool!!! Hybrid!
I don't have a lot of experience rowing, but if folks are into it and it works for them....awesome!
:smt006
Sincerely,
Jim
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Ya, No... Sculling!?!?!? Dang thing is just barely a kayak.... With that system you might as well get a pontoon creek boat. Cheaper and more versatile... Designs out there are already great. Make um lighter and stronger. (eddyline) And sell a million of them... Reinventing the wheel? why?
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Ya, No... Sculling!?!?!? Dang thing is just barely a kayak.... With that system you might as well get a pontoon creek boat. Cheaper and more versatile... Designs out there are already great. Make um lighter and stronger. (eddyline) And sell a million of them... Reinventing the wheel? why?
Amen!
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I'd hit that!
-Allen
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Dang...I knew the lakes were low...but that dude is gonna be waiting a LONG time for water.
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Definitely not gonna see one in the Simply Fishing Tourney ;)
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Totally ripped off Hobie's newest model
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnbnnPU7jTo
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I have been wanting to try one of these for awhile I love rowing, they should have made it a double ender.
With that system you might as well get a pontoon creek boat. Cheaper and more versatile
How so ? I see this as being much more versatile.
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.....I do not like it ,, I do not see it as a fishing friendly vessel .... that's my 2 cents...
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you could use to hunt and probably do very well
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The guy is sitting backwards for trolling. Turn that seat around and they may have something good.
Row boats make excellent trollers with great lure action as a bonus.
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I guess you can face either way
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Ill mess wit it....
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The guy is sitting backwards for trolling. Turn that seat around and they may have something good.
Row boats make excellent trollers with great lure action as a bonus.
Depends on what you are doing with it. Some may like to have the bow facing downsteam in a river situation. But as mickfish pointed out, you can go both ways.
-Allen
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Looks heavy, how much it weigh? Beats the old rowboats at Lafayette reservoir :smt003
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Mickfish,
Market that as a troller with rear rod holders/down rigger board and they may have a winner. Could be very fast with that oar set-up and do rivers nicely.
And if you had a SOT (with quick drainage) mounted with those oars it might be a very capable surf launcher. Seems there would be much more power and speed in those oars vs paddle.
They just need to get the fisherman facing toward the back or I don't see much utility. They just might not like the IMAGE of the guy facing toward the back and people calling it a row boat....
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Looks good for pulling plugs for salmon/steelhead :smt003.
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Looks good for pulling plugs for salmon/steelhead :smt003.
yes, but not much else IMHO
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Allen,
Good point on the bow facing downstream in a river drift situation.
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Mickfish,
Market that as a troller with rear rod holders/down rigger board and they may have a winner. Could be very fast with that oar set-up and do rivers nicely.
And if you had a SOT (with quick drainage) mounted with those oars it might be a very capable surf launcher. Seems there would be much more power and speed in those oars vs paddle.
They just need to get the fisherman facing toward the back or I don't see much utility. They just might not like the IMAGE of the guy facing toward the back and people calling it a row boat....
I agree I was referring to Ron's statement that the pontoon boat is much more versatile I don't see that at all
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Allen,
Good point on the bow facing downstream in a river drift situation.
I don't see that I would much rather have the bow facing upstream, it would drift slower much easier to avoid strainers/rocks and row back up to redrift a section. I guess if you were going though a lot of standing waves or making time though frog water it would be good to have the bow downstream although I don't see that bow keeping much water out of the boat.
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Allen,
Good point on the bow facing downstream in a river drift situation.
I don't see that I would much rather have the bow facing upstream, it would drift slower much easier to avoid strainers/rocks and row back up to redrift a section. I guess if you were going though a lot of standing waves or making time though frog water it would be good to have the bow downstream although I don't see that bow keeping much water out of the boat.
Which way does a drift boat face? Pointy end forward. Why?
-Allen
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To deflect standing waves the pointy end is the stern most driftboats are essentially double enders they just flattened the bow to mount an anchor or OB.
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Thanks Mickfish,
I actually like the idea of this boat! I just wonder how solid/tight/light that rowing set-up would be.
I'm sure people scoffed at the Hobie Mirage Drive when it was new :smt005
I've seen one-man sculling boats on Lake Natoma. I've had to get out of their way fast because they flat-out can move. Blow the doors off my Adventure. If this canoe/kayak/row boat has even a remote similarity to them in the speed department then that alone would be marketable.
If they could come up with a SOT version with dual seat well arrangement for forward/backward facing etc. - I might be very interested in the main-lake troller/surf launcher version.
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To deflect standing waves the pointy end is the stern most driftboats are essentially double enders they just flattened the bow to mount an anchor or OB.
Yup! And what this picture show?
-Allen
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Whens the Demo?
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If they could come up with a SOT version with dual seat well arrangement for forward/backward facing etc. - I might be very interested in the main-lake troller/surf launcher version.
You can put 2 seats in it. They are just on a rail system. That's why you see pictures of forward and backward, they just change seat placement. But they are also designed for a tandem configuration.
-Allen
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Whens the Demo?
Trying to get them at the Berry Event, with their rowing system. I'll show them this thread so they see the interest.
-Allen
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BTW, that pic didn't tell the whole story. See this one. They do have a skeg like formation on the stern. Not sure what that does when rowing in that direction.
-Allen
(http://www.nucanoe.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/frontier-specs.gif)
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Hope there is some flow below the dam
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I actually like the idea of this boat! I just wonder how solid/tight/light that rowing set-up would be.
This isn't their first design. They had a row kit for the original NuCanue. I wasn't so excited way back then because that NuCanoe didn't have scuppers, but it did have higher gunwales. When the Frontier came out, I always made it a point, whenever I saw them at a show, to ask them when the oar kit was going to come out for it. At iCast, they had a proto design, but it was not this design. This one looks a lot more beefy, especially with the crossbars. At ISE, when I saw the sales rep, he immediately pulled out his phone and said I had to check it out. So I've been waiting for this "announcement" to get a better view. I can't wait to try one in person.
-Allen
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Ditto I love my little 8' Almarco except that it is made of alum.
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Allen,
It sounds like they're onto something good. The key would be a bullet proof oar set.
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Allen,
It sounds like they're onto something good. The key would be a bullet proof oar set.
Looks like it can take standard oars, so you can get whatever bullet proof oars you like.
BTW, it does get some speed.
-Allen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUuC9md-sAw
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After watching that video, I don't think it will do well on the big blue. He didn't seem as stable to me. And that leads me to a question. Will these boats be allowed in the kayak tournaments? As these are not kayaks, as far as I can see. But you can make the same argument about hobie yaks.
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After watching that video, I don't think it will do well on the big blue. He didn't seem as stable to me. And that leads me to a question. Will these boats be allowed in the kayak tournaments? As these are not kayaks, as far as I can see. But you can make the same argument about hobie yaks.
I wonder how much stability difference it would be if he got off that super deluxe seat. The mount itself is a bench seat of sorts and it appears to be a good 4-5" lower.
-Allen
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I like it. Now if they could lower the oar set down some and put it on a lower-in-the-saddle 16 foot SOT and mount perpendicular 90 degree swing-out boards in the back with a couple of rod holder and down rigger mounts and it would be an ultimate main lake/ocean trout/salmon troller!
Row trolling gets bites.
Thanks for the video :smt006
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Those are incredibly stable boats. Proven "Old World" technology. I'd bet that oars are much faster than using a kayak paddle for that model. It's much lighter weight than a PA.
I don't know about rowing forward though, It's much easier to pull oars than push.
Why not simply fishing? It's human powered.
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Yes, it is very difficult to propel a boat fwd while facing fwd...with oars. Perhaps a swivel seat is in the works. I'd much rather have a NuCanoe setup like this...than an actual canoe or an inflatable pontoon (have owned both in the past). This thing would be infinitely more versatile. The stability combined with open deck space seems ideal for flyfishing, especially in a river-access situation.
Not sure why it wouldn't qualify for the Simply Fishing tourney either?
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I don't know about rowing forward though, It's much easier to pull oars than push.
We're talking about on a river, where you spend a lot of time both pulling on the sticks and pushing on them.
-Allen
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what a nice row boat...do they make any kayaks for fishing?
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what a nice row boat...do they make any kayaks for fishing?
They sell kayaks for fishing. This is an oak kit add on for them.
-Allen
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:smt001 Thanks Allen
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I like this boat, wonder how it would anchor in current, driftboat style. Reminds me of an Outcast Power Drifter with a hard hull instead of inflatable. Looks like a great stillwater boat for fly fishing too.
I row a 10' kayak shaped inner tube (Outcast Commander) on norcal rivers when fly fishing. It's pretty much ideal except you can't anchor. I row forward all the time, little slower than a kayak but everything else is better.
So many new boats, "Horses for courses" now more than ever.
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Sorry to bring up an old subject, but can't seem to find my answer anywhere. Anyone on NCKA ever tested one or know a place where I can demo one? It's interesting that a 12 foot can handle 2 people. Wanted to find out how it would do on the big blue as well.
Any suggestions would help!
Thanks,
Pete
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Headwaters in Lodi is the Nucanoe dealer!
Go see Dan
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Headwaters in Lodi is the Nucanoe dealer!
Go see Dan
Thanks, but afternoon trolling on Nucanoe's forum I've decided to go with anther very seaworthy vessel.
Thanks again