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General => Fish Talk => Fish ID sub-forum => Topic started by: Sin Coast on August 03, 2015, 04:07:43 PM

Title: Attention Fishnerds! Can you ID?
Post by: Sin Coast on August 03, 2015, 04:07:43 PM
Caught yesterday in Carmel, near the submarine canyon.
(http://i449.photobucket.com/albums/qq217/Sin_Coast/2015/IMGP0564_zpskmp7ilcn.jpg) (http://s449.photobucket.com/user/Sin_Coast/media/2015/IMGP0564_zpskmp7ilcn.jpg.html)

(http://i449.photobucket.com/albums/qq217/Sin_Coast/2015/IMGP0565_zpsiyxrp84e.jpg) (http://s449.photobucket.com/user/Sin_Coast/media/2015/IMGP0565_zpsiyxrp84e.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Attention Fishnerds! Can you ID?
Post by: PISCEAN on August 03, 2015, 04:09:13 PM
looks like a juvenile one of these:
(https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CAcQjRxqFQoTCJzl9f6DjscCFVCbiAodkKEOUw&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.climate.gov%2Fnews-features%2Fclimate-and%2Fclimate-fish-sticks&ei=dPS_VZzbOdC2ogSQw7qYBQ&bvm=bv.99261572,d.cGU&psig=AFQjCNHsV1bRx3jhA7kAa90jr8qkq7i50Q&ust=1438729708208880)
Title: Re: Attention Fishnerds! Can you ID?
Post by: NapaAndy on August 03, 2015, 04:14:38 PM
Loks like a freckled to me, according to DFW photo. They state max length of 9".
Title: Re: Attention Fishnerds! Can you ID?
Post by: FishingForTheCure on August 03, 2015, 04:16:38 PM
I was going with Freckled too
Title: Re: Attention Fishnerds! Can you ID?
Post by: BigJim on August 03, 2015, 04:18:18 PM
Loks like a freckled to me, according to DFW photo. They state max length of 9".

Yep!!!

Can even see the "toothed knobs on the premaxillaries"!!

 :smt004

Very cool PK!!

 :smt006

Sincerely,

Jim
Title: Re: Attention Fishnerds! Can you ID?
Post by: FishingForTheCure on August 03, 2015, 04:22:22 PM
You could have caught a record fish right there!  How'd it taste?  :smt005
Title: Re: Attention Fishnerds! Can you ID?
Post by: PablitoPescador on August 03, 2015, 04:23:10 PM
Freckled??? Shit, I could've sworn it was a juvenile bald eagle :smt002
Title: Re: Attention Fishnerds! Can you ID?
Post by: PablitoPescador on August 03, 2015, 04:27:31 PM
WAY north of it's regular range...mighty interesting
Title: Re: Attention Fishnerds! Can you ID?
Post by: Sin Coast on August 03, 2015, 04:50:34 PM
Yeah when I looked at the Rockfish ID chart, it looked most like a freckled rf. But I'm still not 100% certain. Waiting for confirmation from my biologist buddies. The horns around its eyes and long dorsal spines tripped me out. Little effer spiked me with its face horns!
Title: Re: Attention Fishnerds! Can you ID?
Post by: NapaAndy on August 03, 2015, 05:08:28 PM
WAY north of it's regular range...mighty interesting
Lots of interesting and unusual fish being pushed north due to warm water.
Title: Re: Attention Fishnerds! Can you ID?
Post by: Sin Coast on August 04, 2015, 12:22:03 PM
It's likely a Freckled Rockfish or a Rosethorn Rockfish. I'm trying to determine if Rosethorns also have "toothed knobs on the premaxillaries" like frekled rf.
(http://www.afsc.noaa.gov/groundfish/RockfishGuide/images/Scorpaenidae/helvosmall.jpg)
Title: Re: Attention Fishnerds! Can you ID?
Post by: Fishcomb on August 04, 2015, 12:31:22 PM
i'm going with rosy rockfish  :smt044
Title: Re: Attention Fishnerds! Can you ID?
Post by: AlsHobieOutback on August 04, 2015, 03:48:10 PM
I'm going with "a fish"  :smt044
Title: Re: Attention Fishnerds! Can you ID?
Post by: Sin Coast on August 04, 2015, 03:54:48 PM
Here's a cool link: http://www.afsc.noaa.gov/groundfish/RockfishGuide/Rockfish_Pages/Freckled_rockfish.htm
I like how they list similar species below. This helped me eliminate greenspotted or green blotched RF (which is what the pros suggested) because they apparently don't have the notched upper jaw or knobs.
Title: Re: Attention Fishnerds! Can you ID?
Post by: BigJim on August 04, 2015, 04:05:51 PM
Its totally a freckled bro...like text book freck

 :smt003
Title: Re: Attention Fishnerds! Can you ID?
Post by: Sin Coast on August 10, 2015, 10:39:59 AM
OK we were all wrong...but I did get it correct on my second try haha. After showing the pics to a few biologists, the fish was confirmed by Robert Lea (author of Guide to the Coastal Marine Fishes of California, among other classics) to be a Greenspotted Rockfish.
Emails below.


Quote from: Bob
All three of you were on the correct path in selecting a rockfish in the subgenus Sebastomus.  However none of you were correct in identification of species.  Give it another try knowing it is not in the Rosy complex or a Freckled Rockfish (umbrosus complex).  The photo is excellent and should show the characters needed for identification.  Let me know what you come up with and I will provide further comment.  The species is one of the more photogenic rockfishes.   Best,  Bob


Quote from: PK
""Thanks for the info, guys. I am always intrigued by mystery fish.
BTW it didnít exhibit any visible signs of barotrauma, but I sent it back down with a Shelton Descender (after taking those 2 photos) because I was in approximately 200 feet of water.
My new guess, if itís not a freckled rockfish, is greenspotted rockfish.
Pat""


Quote from: Bob
""Gents:  Greenspotted Rockfish, Sebastes chlorostictus, is the correct identification.  The photos had the coloration of a juvenile, which is beautiful.  Nice photos for ID.  Let's hope the fish makes it and can contribute to the Greenspotted population in the future.  This may be a good year for Treefish off central California.  Best,  Bob""
Title: Re: Attention Fishnerds! Can you ID?
Post by: BigJim on August 10, 2015, 10:49:01 AM
I still say freckled.

 :smt005 :smt044 :smt005

Toothed knobs on premaxillaries!!

 :smt005 :smt044