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General Talk / Re: Proposed rules for 2005 NorCal Big Fish Contest
« on: December 13, 2004, 10:26:16 AM »
Quote from: Bill

Fish must be caught in Northern California (we need to define what that is)

Must have photographic proof

Must have a witness that is also entered in the contest

Northern California could be either North of Point Piedras Blancas or Point Sur.
http://www.dfg.ca.gov/mrd/fishing_map.html


I'd propose a requirement for Photographic Proof OR a witness that is also entered in the contest.  I fish solo a lot and will most likely not have a witness available most of the time.  

I'd also propose adding Sturgeon... with the criteria being overall length so as to include oversized fish if any are caught.

2102
General Talk / Tide Tool for Palm Pilot
« on: December 12, 2004, 05:30:14 PM »
If any of you have a palm pilot... I highly recommend installing this little gem to help you keep on top of your tide information.  

Freeware... and very very handy.

http://www.toolworks.com/bilofsky/tidetool/

Erik

2103
Hookups and Fishing Reports (Viewable by Public) / 12/11 Sturgeon Outing
« on: December 11, 2004, 09:23:13 PM »
First off... I gotta say I had a great time fishing with company for once.  It wound up being Joel, Mike, Ken, John, Duane, and myself meeting up at Buck's Landing and launching at about 11:00 or so.  

I had bumped into Allen at Loch Lomond while I was getting and had a good chat with him... he opted to launch at McNear's instead of joining our group.  Was good to shoot the bull with him and Keith Fraser and talk yak fishing a bit.  We later learned that he had some problems getting his anchor to hold off of McNear's and packed it in a little early.  Sorry to hear that... better luck next time I guess.

As we paddled out, the wind was up a little which made for choppy conditions... not optimal conditions but certainly fishable.  

We made our way out and set up a few hundered yards past the duck blinds.  I caught a couple stripers and kingfish  between 11:00 and 2:00 but it wasn't until after about 2:30 that we had most of the action.  

Mike was the first to hook up with a sturgeon which must have been a pretty scrappy one... giving Mike a good fight... it came up short though... a tad under 40".  That action certainly woke everyone up though.

Shortly after that, Joel hooked up... losing his sturgon virginity to a shaker Green Sturgeon.  We figure he probably holds the kayak fishing record for Green Sturgeon with that one... you don't see to many of those.  

I hooked up with a shaker sturgeon shortly after that... about 30 inches.  

I'll try my best at the scores for the day...  you guys can chime and correct me if I'm wrong...

Me:  3 stripers 20 - 22 inches; 1 shaker sturgeon; 1 skate; 3 kingfish
Joel:  1 california kayak record green sturgeon
Ken:  1 Bat ray... not sure what else.
John:  1 striper... not sure what else.
Duane:  At least one striper...
Mike:  1 shaker sturgeon... not sure what else.

We headed in at about 4:00 and the tide had dropped by a good 6 feet.  As we got closer and closer to the mouth of Gallinas Creek, the depth finders started reading 2 feet, then 1 foot, then 0 feet... then we were actually scraping bottom a bit at times :smt119 .  Finally Joel was able to locate the channel... which is conveniently marked by stakes (  :smt115 mental note).  I have to say I was starting to freak out a little bit.  

We all made it back to Buck's by about 5:00 or so and headed out.  

I'll leave the rest of the details to the others if they care to add anything.  I know there were a few photos taken as well... maybe even some video.

I look forward to another adventure with you guys... it was an excellent group to fish with.

Erik

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General Fishing Tips / Tips for Targeting Sturgeon from a Kayak
« on: December 10, 2004, 09:22:03 PM »
(I thought I'd pull this over from the kayak4fish.com board...)

With the winter rains and big minus tides around the corner, I thought give some pointers on how to rig up and find success targeting sturgeon from a kayak in the San Francisco Bay.  I?ll comment on techniques that I've found to work but, as with everything, there's more than one way to skin a cat.

Safety:

It should probably go without saying that tangling with a large sturgeon from a kayak in heavy current and cold water can be dangerous.   Aside from those safety precautions called out elsewhere in this article, I'll offer the following basic recommendations.  
- Wear a PFD at all times.  
- Tie all of your lanyards off to one side of your kayak to give you a clear route off the yak in case you do indeed tip over.  
- Keep a knife within easy reach on your person in case things go sour.
- A GPS and a VHF marine radio are nice in the event of fog or trouble.  
- Dress warm and in such a fashion that you can stay as dry as possible... it gets cold sitting there waiting for Mr. Dino to bite.  I recommend a farmer john wet suit for safety in the event that you dump your yak.
- Above all else, be prepared and take the time to thoroughly consider and prepare for all of the possible scenarios you might face in this type of fishing.

Anchor:

The photo below shows my anchor rig that has proven to work in San Pablo Bay but may not be big enough for deeper water.  I recommend a folding style anchor with four-prongs and at least 40 feet of anchor rope.  For a small anchor like I have, you may need to add weight to it by attaching lead to the anchor itself or using a sort length of chain before attaching your rope.  



You will need to have a hook of some type that will allow you to easily release your anchor with one hand if you hook up to a big ?un.  Crab net floats work well to keep your line afloat until you return for it.  

If you have a GPS, it comes in very handy to mark your fishing spot so you can more easily find your anchor upon return.   You?d be surprised how difficult it can be to spot an anchor float if there is a little chop on the water.  

Rod / Reel:

I recommend a live bait style rod in the 25# range made of either E-Glass or Glass/Graphite composite.  As for rod length, my preference is 7-feet.  You could go shorter or longer depending on your preferences but for me, a 7-foot rod is comfortable and allows me to get the tip around the end of my kayak if necessary.  I use a Shimano TR200 reel coupled with 25# P-Line CXX-Tra Strong monofilament line.  Momoi is another excellent brand of monofilament.  Spectra would work well too if that is what you prefer.  You don't need a lot of line capacity but you do need a good drag.  Mr. Sturgeon will tow you around if necessary, and most of the kayakable sturgeon haunts are quite shallow? we?re talking less than 15 feet in most spots.  

Attributes of a good sturgeon rod include:
? Powerful Butt section.
? Sensitive Tip section.  Some prefer a soft tip so they can see any action that may be occuring on the bait.  I personally prefer a little stiffer tip that is fairly light and sensitive so I can feel EVERTHING that is happening down there.  For me? feel is more important.
? Fairly lightweight... you'll be holding it in your hand for long hours.  This is where glass/graphite composite blanks such as Calstar Graphiters and Seeker Black Steels have the advantage.  Lighter weight and still very durable and powerful.
? I recommend a dense grip material such as high durometer EVA foam or cork.  A dense grip material is more effective at transmitting vibration to your hand and will enable you to detect more strikes (which can feel like almost nothing sometimes).  A squishy Hypalon grip does not transmit vibration very well.

There are many good sturgeon rods on the market from makers including Seeker, Calstar, G.Loomis, Lamiglas, and others.  For starters, I'd recommend looking at a Seeker or Calstar 270 or 870 in fiberglass.  Seeker also make the 270 and 870 in their Black Steel composite series which is lighter in weight and still very durable.  A Calstar Graphiter 700 XL, 700 L, or 800 L in Graphite /Glass composite would be excellent choices as well.  

If you build your own rods or are using a custom builder, I'd recommend a spiral guide placement (aka. Acid Wrap) for maximum sensitivity and fish fighting power.  

Terminal Tackle:

See the diagram below for a typical sturgeon rig.  This consists of a typical sliding singer rig.  For a leader I recommend at least 40# monofilament.  Spectra type line in 50 - 80# is preferred by some because it is more difficult for a sturgeon to detect on the bite.  I like monofilament for abrasion resistance? I usually use 40# Maxima.  I don?t like wire leaders? just a personal preference but many sturgeon anglers use them successfully as well.  Some anglers theorize that a lighter leader will lead to more strikes since it is more difficult to detect by the fish? this may be where spectra type leader materials play in.



Leader length should not be any more than about 16 to 22 inches.  The longer the leader, the higher off the bottom your bait will run.  You want to keep your bait ON THE BOTTOM.  

I use dual outward facing 6/0 Octopus hooks with two or three beads between them to keep the hooks separated on a loop at the end of my leader (not sure what the knot is called).  Buy good hooks... they should be sticky sharp... it's worth the money to buy good hooks such as Gamagatsu, Owner, or Mustad.  I generally don?t use the khale style hooks because I like the ultra-sharp Japanese hooks available in the Octopus style.

Be prepared to chuck as much as 8 ounces of lead during heavy currents... pyramid sinkers work the best in heavy current.  Also, bring some 3/8 to ? oz rubber core weights to add near the end of the leader to help keep your bait ON THE BOTTOM during times of heavy current.

Bait:

In San Pablo Bay... live ghost shrimp and grass shrimp produce equally well.  I prefer Ghost shrimp because they stay on the hook a little better and you can tie them on the hook with thread if necessary.  With ghost shrimp I recommend one shrimp per hook? maybe two if they are small shrimp.  With grass shrimp you can load as many as fit on the hook.

Freshness is important.  Sturgeon (like sharks) can detect the weak electrical signals given off by living organisms.  I believe that live fresh bait maximizes your chances of Mr. Dino finding that delicious bait offering.  
Lamprey eel is king in the delta and has the side benefit of deterring those pesky mitten crabs.  During a herring spawn, herring fillets are the ticket.  

Detecting the Bite:

I?m positive that most people miss sturgeon because they didn?t feel them hit or weren?t paying attention or reacted too slowly.  I always hold my rod in my hand and concentrate on feeling and watching the rod tip.  A sturgeon bite may vary considerably? when in doubt? take a swing.  The classic bite is a slow pump, pump, pump of the rod tip but in actuality most sturgeon I?ve caught did not bite that way.  Sometimes it?s a tick,tick like a bullhead.  On several occasions I?ve set the hook because it felt like something brushed up against my line and had a dino on the other end.  Then there is the single slam which is common as well.  In any event, don?t wait for that second bite? swing hard on any suspected bite and don?t hesitate.  Check your bait often as well because all that hook-setting will cause your bait to go bye-bye a little faster too.

Tides:

Sturgeon seem to bite best during the last hour or so of a big outgoing tide and the first hour or so of the incoming.  That's not to say they won't bite any other time, but it seems that the muddier and more stirred up the water is, the better your chances of success.  Sturgeon move with the current.  As the tide goes out, the sturgeon move down from the shallows.  You'll find yourself fishing in 3 to 5 feet of water sometimes... don't worry... they're in there.

Plan your trip ahead of time so that you don't wind up paddling into the current to get back home or find yourself stranded by a mud flat where when you try to land on the beach.

From China Camp, I usually plan to head out during the last part of the incoming tide and paddle north to my chosen fishing spot... then I can come back during the end of the outgoing tide so I will not have to fight the current.  

Locations:

I mostly fish the flats north of China Camp... anywhere from China Camp proper to the duck blinds to Shell Bank... which is between the duck blinds and the Pumphouse.  You can launch at the beach at China Camp but it will be a mud flat on a minus tide? get out before it goes minus or you?ll be in for a mud fest.  Buck?s landing just north of China Camp offers another suitable launch site with a channel going into the bay so you don?t have to worry about being stranded in a minus tide.

If you have a fishfinder, any dips, channels, or changes in bottom type (shell bank vs. mud bottom) are good things to key on.  Also, the fast-moving side of rip lines can be a good bet.  Obviously, if you are marking fish? that?s something to key on as well.  If you see jumpers? fish there.  Sturgeon often travel in groups so if the boat ahead of you is hooking up? you might be in for some action as they work their way down current.

Etiquette:

Sturgeon can spook easily, so it?s best to fish where everyone else isn?t.  As Keith Fraser of the Loch Lomond Bait Shop says, ?Find where all the boats are fishing and then fish elsewhere?.  

Be aware of boaters fishing nearby and downstream of you.  Never paddle or throw your anchor directly upstream of another anchored boat.    Always be gentle with your anchor? don?t make a big commotion.  Leave some distance between yourself and the nearest boat downstream of you.  Be mindful that when you hook up and throw your anchor, you may drift a considerable distance downstream.  Try to leave a clear path for such an event.  It's a big Bay... leave some space and minimize the noise and commotion.

Playing and Landing a Sturgeon:

This is where safety becomes very important.  Particularly if you hook into a 55 inch or larger fish, you?ll need to play the fish until he is absolutely, beyond a shadow of a doubt, flat out exhausted.  You may think the fish is exhausted after you pull him up to your yak the first time or two but do not be fooled.  Give him a firm poke in the nose with your club and you?ll find out very quickly if he has any pep left in him.  

Once you are certain the fish is completely spent, then you?ll need to land it.  For fish up to about 50 inches or so you should be able to grab the fish by the gill plate or use the heavy leader to slide the fish up onto the kayak.  You can also use a very large net to land such moderate sized sturgeon.   Much bigger than 50 inches or so and you will likely need a snare or noose to land the fish properly and minimize the risk of capsizing.  Sturgeon are a bit odd in that they don?t float.  If you have a large sturgeon, it?s likely that you?ll only get the head to the surface and have a heck of a time accessing the fish?s tail.

I?d suggest wearing a glove on your ?landing? hand so that you can maneuver the fish without being cut by the sharp scutes on their back and sides.

The following are plans for making a very good and inexpensive sturgeon snare.  A simple noose made of coated aircraft cable will suffice as well.  I?d steer clear of using rope as a noose because those ultra-sharp hooks tend to find their way into rope very easily, causing considerable difficulty and potential danger in getting the rope around the fish?s head and trying to free it from the hooks one-handed (speaking from experience here).  



With a noose or snare, you?ll feed it over your rod and down the line and around the head of the fish.  Pull tight and in one slow and smooth motion, slide the fish?s head up onto your kayak, kicking the tail up to the bow of the boat.  It?s important to not pull too hard when pulling a fish up onto your kayak.  The shift in weight as the fish slides up onto the deck can cause you to tip over backwards? not what you want to happen.  I?ll stress again? pull the fish up in a slow and smooth motion.  Once you?ve determined legality, waste no time or energy in subduing the fish with your club.  

Never land a fish that you intend to release.  If you aren?t going to keep the fish? let it go while it is still in the water.  Certainly never use a snare on a sturgeon that you intend to release.  Snares can cause substantial internal damage, resulting in not-so-good prospects that the fish will survive.  

Measuring:

Measuring a sturgeon accurately on a kayak can be difficult.  Because they don?t float, you?ll have a difficult time measuring a medium to large sturgeon while it is in the water unless you have help.  I have hash marks on my kayak to measure fish and I usually make them ?generous? measurements so that I know if it?s at the line, it?s legal.  This is definitely where teamwork can be helpful.

After the catch:

For the best meat quality, it is very important to bleed any sturgeon that you catch.  This should be done immediately after the fish has been subdued with your club.  Make several deep cuts in the gills and even removing a few gill rakes if necessary.  I usually tow the fish around for a while to assist in the bleed-out process.  If not bled well, blood will pool and settle in the meat and make for a gamey flavor.  If bled well, almost all of the meat will be white in color and mild in flavor.  You'll know if the fish has been bled well if the fish appears really white with not much red flush in the skin.[/img]

Go Get 'em


67-inch sturgon caught on 1/25/2003 from San Pablo Bay.  Estimated 80 - 90 lbs.

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General Talk / Big Fish Pool for '05
« on: December 10, 2004, 10:44:45 AM »
I dig it...

I'd suggest using length as the criteria for sturgeon... that way if you catch an oversized fish and have to release it you could still measure it and be in the running.

Maybe we require either:
- weight / length must be verified by another honorable member of the group (which would probably exclude joel)  :smt003 ; or
- weighed by certified scale; or
- photographed for proof (as in the case of an oversize dino).

Thoughts?

2106
Hookups and Fishing Reports (Viewable by Public) / it works
« on: December 10, 2004, 10:39:03 AM »
I'll be there at around 10:30 or so... I'll probably forego the striper plugging and just head straight out to anchor for sturgeon.  

I'll be monitoring Channel 69...

Erik

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In the flats of San Pablo Bay, it's pretty much a crapshoot since the bottom is mostly flat, although there will be periodic slight depressions which might be a good place to set up.  You can also get an idea of the bottom composition from your fishfinder.  A shell bank might appear to be firmer bottom.  You'll pick up shells on  your anchor too.  Shells = sturgeon munchies.  

Sturgeon move with the tide, so it's generally a matter of anchoring and waiting for the fish to come to you.  It's basically a waiting game... paitience will pay off in the end.  I've observed that the bit often picks up just after the current slows down a bit from peak flow... the water gets really brown and swirly... that's a good thing.

Every time I go out I am always looking for changes or transitions... changes in bottom composition, humps and dips, riplines, and changes in water "muddiness".  Whether or not it helps... who knows... at least it occupies my mind thinking that all of that stuff matters.

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Hookups and Fishing Reports (Viewable by Public) / O'neil forebay Friday
« on: December 09, 2004, 06:38:25 AM »
Check out Jann's Netcraft online.  They have supplies for making soft plastic lures... says their soft plastic melts at 325 F.

http://www.jannsnetcraft.com/Items.aspx?disp=gallery&hierId=spmolds

2109
Buck's is # 15 on the following hyperlink...

http://www.delta.dfg.ca.gov/stripedbass/images/map_san_pablo_bay.gif

As for bait... You can get it at Western Boat or Loch Lomond, both of which are off of the south side of the San Pedro Road loop... Western bait is right on the street... the loch lomond bait shop is a floating shack at the boat ramp at loch lomond marina.

I usually get 1/2 lb of grass shrimp and at least 2 dozen ghost shrimp.  It's about $20 worth of bait.  Sometimes I forego the grass shrimp completely and just get 3 or 4 dozenn ghost shrimp.  

I usually go through most or all of the bait but occasionally will use only very little of it.  You never know.  

Some guys use lamprey eel too.  It's expensive but you can keep using it over and over... soaking it in it's juices and freezing it between uses.  They'll put a slice of eel on one hook and live shrimp on the other.  The crabs and junk fish won't destroy the eel.  

Erik

2111
General Talk / THANKS
« on: December 08, 2004, 06:47:01 AM »
Thanks Bill...  I was getting withdrawls with the kayak4fish board being down.   Cured now...

Erik

2112
That was me as "guest" in the post above...


Erik

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