Bad news for near-shore fishing at Albion & to Central Coast on Sept 1

The water tends to get murky really fast in ncka discussions

There are a couple of fisheries science people who could shed some light on all of this. Clayman comes to mind and some others i can’t think of at the moment

There are also some heavier hitters but that would be a start

I don't thin I have EVER caught a quillback rockfish from Half Moon Bay on down to SLO. My impression has always been they just do not live here?  Or, are extremely rare?  How often do you guys in Sonoma and Mendo get them while fishing nearshore?  I suspect it's the usual overreach reaction from DFW...

and, I do not like it.

Bushy

so I loose my phone in Spring Lake on sun afternoon, Get back on here on Tues nite and WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Whatever the BS that took over, 
WE ONLY HAVE 1 SATURDAY LEFT OF FISHING

THAT SUCKS!!
Sorry Honey, I'm going fishing!
Scotty
I've never caught a Quillback
 in Sonoma or Mendo Co.

so I loose my phone in Spring Lake on sun afternoon, Get back on here on Tues nite and WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Whatever the BS that took over, 
WE ONLY HAVE 1 SATURDAY LEFT OF FISHING

THAT SUCKS!!
Sorry Honey, I'm going fishing!
Scotty
I've never caught a Quillback
 in Sonoma or Mendo Co.

Saturday looks windy. Best to call in sick Thursday or Friday. It’s gonna be crowded.

I rarely catch quillback unless I’m fishing 120ft or deeper.  The quillback fishery is healthy.  The data or pseudoscience that CADFW is using is horsehit

Bushy wrote:

<snipped> . . . How often do you guys in Sonoma and Mendo get them while fishing nearshore?

I have never caught a Quillback in either county. Also not in Humboldt.

Bushy wrote:

<snipped> . . . How often do you guys in Sonoma and Mendo get them while fishing nearshore?

I have never caught a Quillback in either county. Also not in Humboldt.
Nearshore quillback do exist in shallower water but they are nursery stock I believe. Caught a few in 60-80' but they were less than 8" in length. They get larger the deeper you go.

Would it be legal to fish the usual halibut beaches in 40 to 100 feet of water if no rockfish are retained? I don’t see why not, as long you claim to be targeting halibut…

Yes.  You can still fish inside the 50 fathom line, but you can’t keep or have any rockfish aboard

Would it be legal to fish the usual halibut beaches in 40 to 100 feet of water if no rockfish are retained? I don’t see why not, as long you claim to be targeting halibut…

Correct. You can fish shallower than 50fm, but you can’t retain any RCG caught.

Yeah, I've never caught a quillback here in Sonoma.  Guess no lings for me this year

I'm starting to get worried about unsafe yakkers attempting to find rockfish with these restrictions. Multiple posts in FnS going up about: how far to 50 fathom, or closest spot to rockfish?

Joe could we add a section regarding safety for nearshore boaters? If only this restriction had a slot like 10-50 fathoms or something. We are all mentioning never seeing quillback below 100' deep anyways. Just impossible to enforce I think is the issue.

I'm starting to get worried about unsafe yakkers attempting to find rockfish with these restrictions. Multiple posts in FnS going up about: how far to 50 fathom, or closest spot to rockfish?

Joe could we add a section regarding safety for nearshore boaters? If only this restriction had a slot like 10-50 fathoms or something. We are all mentioning never seeing quillback below 100' deep anyways. Just impossible to enforce I think is the issue.

https://tinyurl.com/MPAand50FMRCA

It's pretty far out there

Gotta love California.  Decriminalizes drugs, theft, anything that is a public nuisance, severely restricts the ability of law enforcement to enforce the few laws that still remain and releases those that are convicted of serious crimes early,  buuuuuut criminalizes fishing.  And you can bet that is one they will enforce and punish to the fullest extent possible. California leadership at its finest.

More woke based decisions, most likely based on a biased problem statement that led to a biased subjective study, maybe studies, which led to poor decisions. The ultimate decision was most likely already made awhile back and just took the right nudges to make it work. Unfortunately, this happens more than most of us want to admit. Research is now rarely objectively conducted in both the hard and soft science fields. Let’s not be naïve.  :

Clarification: First and foremost my use of the term "woke" was in a much larger context (more than the common understood definition found in social media searches. That is where they want to keep you). There is clearly a "woke" ideology found in environmental issues. Let me make myself clear that I am in no way of speaking about "woke" in a social justice context. Period. No whistles no parties. Let's get pass that conversation. I am speaking to a clear agenda in the way we view our natural resources and now manage them as well. Welcome to reality. It is challenging to have it both ways.

My main point was regarding how decisions are made and studies are approached by so many researchers/universities/organizations. My opinion is based on years of teaching graduate level research and writing, test, measurement and assessment and alike classes. My view comes from reading hundreds of dissertations, thesis and advising students.  I have come to the conclusion that most researchers come with their own prejudices/agendas to a study and do their best to stay there as well. There is often a clear emotional/agenda (often politically motivated) that is dragged into the research which leads the author or team to ignore other possible independent variables from the beginning and other even secondary findings that may have significance to their conclusions (many time blindly ignored). I believe some of this behavior is based from ego and pride; but can also be political from the individual or institution's agendas. Consider who is picking up the tab. I am not saying this lack of true research is in every study, but a great wise and educated man once told me, "everyone has an agenda". And yes I had an agenda as well in teaching the classes. I wanted students to keep their eyes wide open and honestly attempt to disapprove their own thinking. It was only then, could we find the unspoken truth beyond our own prejudices of the study.

On point, I have never caught a quillback. California, as well as many other states are closing the lids tight. I truly hope our resources are not at a tipping point where we are in need to continue to prescribe such drastic closing measures.