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Title: What type of fish is this?
Post by: bluestar on August 07, 2014, 09:47:54 PM
Can anyone help me id this fish?  Thanks so much!
Title: Re: What type of fish is this?
Post by: Herb Superb on August 07, 2014, 10:03:27 PM
Isn't that one of those very endangered, highly protected, on a brink of extinction fish?.. Hmmmm I forgot the name of it... I'll have to get back to you on that one.  :smt003
Title: Re: What type of fish is this?
Post by: Cabeza de Martillo on August 07, 2014, 10:07:28 PM
A dead one
Title: Re: What type of fish is this?
Post by: beerhunter on August 07, 2014, 10:32:38 PM
Where was it caught?
Title: Re: What type of fish is this?
Post by: Live2Fish on August 07, 2014, 10:46:53 PM
Pikeminnow maybe....anybodies guess cause pictures don't show much. Where'd ya catch it?
Title: Re: What type of fish is this?
Post by: FTB530 on August 07, 2014, 10:48:58 PM
Do you really not know what kind of fish that is? I know myself if I didn't know what the fish was it wouldn't end up in my sink , no fish is worth getting a ticket to me and no I don't know what kind of fish it is.
Title: Re: What type of fish is this?
Post by: FTB530 on August 07, 2014, 10:50:03 PM
Pikeminnow maybe....anybodies guess cause pictures don't show much. Where'd ya catch it?

 Doesn't look like a Pikeminnow to me it kind of looks more like a mackerel I caught out by the Farallon islands one time.
Title: Re: What type of fish is this?
Post by: SeaWeed on August 07, 2014, 11:15:30 PM
It would have been nice to see the whole thing out of the chest.
Title: Re: What type of fish is this?
Post by: The Inn Keeper on August 08, 2014, 07:17:03 AM
Should have an ignorance fine.
If you don't know, don't kill.

Know your fish, or know the law.

Title: Re: What type of fish is this?
Post by: Malibu_Two on August 08, 2014, 07:20:57 AM
Saltwater? Freshwater? Did you catch it? Where? Details and better pics would help.
Title: Re: What type of fish is this?
Post by: Clayman on August 08, 2014, 07:40:03 AM
Should have an ignorance fine.
If you don't know, don't kill.

Know your fish, or know the law.
+1

We need better pictures.  You did a full-on AUTOPSY of your unidentified fish so it must've been easy to get better pictures.  Where'd you catch it?

First fish that comes to mind is sablefish, but again, more pictures would be helpful.
Title: Re: What type of fish is this?
Post by: polepole on August 08, 2014, 08:10:59 AM
First fish that comes to mind is sablefish

+1

-Allen
Title: Re: What type of fish is this?
Post by: Darius (Burong Isda) on August 08, 2014, 08:12:13 AM
Should have an ignorance fine.
If you don't know, don't kill.

Know your fish, or know the law.
+1

We need better pictures.  You did a full-on AUTOPSY of your unidentified fish so it must've been easy to get better pictures.  Where'd you catch it?

First fish that comes to mind is sablefish, but again, more pictures would be helpful.
+100
Worse case it might be poisonous.  :smt005

But it does look like a sable fish even the meat color.
Title: Re: What type of fish is this?
Post by: masterandahound on August 08, 2014, 08:57:00 AM
Mission impossible without better picture of some info on where it was caught. The facial markings make me think its a member mackerel family, a sablefish, or a hake.

Not to belabor the point, but the prudent and responsible plan would be to snap a few pictures for identification and then release it next time.
Title: Re: What type of fish is this?
Post by: Darius (Burong Isda) on August 08, 2014, 10:53:20 AM
SABLE!
Title: Re: What type of fish is this?
Post by: Sin Coast on August 08, 2014, 12:05:56 PM
Where'd ya catch it?
Title: Re: What type of fish is this?
Post by: Roughster on August 08, 2014, 02:12:17 PM
Seems obvious to me:  Blue Square Whirlpool fish  :smt044
Title: Re: What type of fish is this?
Post by: FishingForTheCure on August 08, 2014, 02:18:26 PM
One thing to be cautious of & others, please correct me if I'm wrong, but transporting a fish in water like this could be construed as transport for transplant to another body of water/live sale; yes/no?

   I'm all for the "in in doubt, CPR it".  Way cheeper than a fine & loss of license.

   How did it taste?
Title: Re: What type of fish is this?
Post by: crash on August 08, 2014, 02:32:32 PM
Hey guys. What kind of bird is this?

(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g155/emmasdadwsca/Mobile%20Uploads/E60BA484-9145-4584-8885-A30B7E891649_zpsi3g34d45.jpg) (http://s55.photobucket.com/user/emmasdadwsca/media/Mobile%20Uploads/E60BA484-9145-4584-8885-A30B7E891649_zpsi3g34d45.jpg.html)
Title: Re: What type of fish is this?
Post by: FishingForTheCure on August 08, 2014, 02:33:31 PM
Hey guys. What kind of bird is this?

(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g155/emmasdadwsca/Mobile%20Uploads/E60BA484-9145-4584-8885-A30B7E891649_zpsi3g34d45.jpg) (http://s55.photobucket.com/user/emmasdadwsca/media/Mobile%20Uploads/E60BA484-9145-4584-8885-A30B7E891649_zpsi3g34d45.jpg.html)
Where'd you catch it at? :smt005
Title: Re: What type of fish is this?
Post by: mdoka_matt on August 08, 2014, 02:41:22 PM

Now thats funny!
Title: Re: What type of fish is this?
Post by: SOMA on August 08, 2014, 02:53:50 PM
Did it look something like the attached photo?
Title: Re: What type of fish is this?
Post by: - on August 08, 2014, 03:01:04 PM
Quote
Hey guys. What kind of bird is this?

ultra rare canadian bird known as a pamela anderson.  large breasts, skinny arms & legs, well bronzed skin.
Title: Re: What type of fish is this?
Post by: krusty on August 08, 2014, 04:33:20 PM
Quote
Hey guys. What kind of bird is this?

ultra rare canadian bird known as a pamela anderson.  large breasts, skinny arms & legs, well bronzed skin.

 :smt044
Title: Re: What type of fish is this?
Post by: reelfish on August 08, 2014, 04:48:56 PM
Its a roasted one.
Title: Re: What type of fish is this?
Post by: krusty on August 08, 2014, 04:55:28 PM
Should have an ignorance fine.
If you don't know, don't kill.

Know your fish, or know the law.

Catching and retaining an unknown species, butchering it, and then asking for identification. Not the right order to do things.
Title: Re: What type of fish is this?
Post by: bluestar on August 08, 2014, 05:26:10 PM
Don't jump the gun now...  I bought this fish from a guy who supply to restaurants.  I was told this is a fish from the sea, not freshwatrer fish.  I just want to verify that.  That's all.  Seeing that no one can ID this fish, I'm inclining to think this is not local to Northern Cal to say the least, and am in the process of asking for a more scientific name from the person.  If I get that I will report back here, given the interest in this.
Title: Re: What type of fish is this?
Post by: Mr.Matt on August 08, 2014, 05:37:57 PM
Sketchy ..........
In so many ways..........

Title: Re: What type of fish is this?
Post by: Clayman on August 08, 2014, 05:45:55 PM
Don't jump the gun now...  I bought this fish from a guy who supply to restaurants.  I was told this is a fish from the sea, not freshwatrer fish.  I just want to verify that.  That's all.  Seeing that no one can ID this fish, I'm inclining to think this is not local to Northern Cal to say the least, and am in the process of asking for a more scientific name from the person.  If I get that I will report back here, given the interest in this.
Sooo you bought a "mystery fish" from a guy and the guy didn't even tell you what it was?  And you didn't ask him what you were buying?  What did the "restaurant supplier" call it?  The term "black cod" is often used in commercial fisheries for sablefish.
Title: Re: What type of fish is this?
Post by: SmokeOnTheWater on August 08, 2014, 05:47:10 PM
Don't jump the gun now...  I bought this fish from a guy who supply to restaurants.  I was told this is a fish from the sea, not freshwatrer fish.  I just want to verify that.  That's all.  Seeing that no one can ID this fish, I'm inclining to think this is not local to Northern Cal to say the least, and am in the process of asking for a more scientific name from the person.  If I get that I will report back here, given the interest in this.

Not to be mean, but you just made it sound even worse.   :smt044  :smt044

A "guy who supply to restaurants"?   Is he a commercial fisherman or just some dude who supplies fish?  haha

To top it off, you bought an unidentifiable fish from some dude who himself didn't know what fish he was selling?   :thumleft:
Title: Re: What type of fish is this?
Post by: trianglelaguna on August 08, 2014, 05:55:01 PM
.
Title: Re: What type of fish is this?
Post by: masterandahound on August 08, 2014, 06:06:00 PM
So the plot thickens ...
Title: Re: What type of fish is this?
Post by: crash on August 08, 2014, 06:06:25 PM
That's sketchy as hell.
Title: Re: What type of fish is this?
Post by: Tote on August 08, 2014, 06:12:01 PM
or maybe he knows the guy, knows he is reputable and didn't feel like going into great detail looking for an answer.
Don't be too quick to judge.
Ask poignant questions, wait for the answers, then when it's all on the table do what ya want.
Just sayin'.
Title: Re: What type of fish is this?
Post by: rockfish on August 08, 2014, 07:22:53 PM

This is awesome, like a slowmotrainwreck where everyone cringes before the trains go past on separate tracks :)
but really, ID question without a full body pic is kinda rude.
Title: Re: What type of fish is this?
Post by: trianglelaguna on August 08, 2014, 07:44:33 PM
.
Title: Re: What type of fish is this?
Post by: dilbeck on August 08, 2014, 08:45:01 PM
or maybe he knows the guy, knows he is reputable and didn't feel like going into great detail looking for an answer.
Don't be too quick to judge.
Ask poignant questions, wait for the answers, then when it's all on the table do what ya want.
Just sayin'.

Very good points Tote!
Title: Re: What type of fish is this?
Post by: The Inn Keeper on August 08, 2014, 08:58:56 PM
Just to clarify ...
You bought a fish that you don't know what it is .... You take home and butcher it (without knowing what it is) ..... I can only guess it was processes/cooked/eaten? ...... And now you are asking for identification?
Interesting at best .....
You defiantly have our interest,
Please fill in some blanks
Title: Re: What type of fish is this?
Post by: bluestar on August 08, 2014, 09:04:05 PM
Come to think of it, I probably won't report back.  Not that I won't get more info about the fish, but because it's quite pointless to deal with a bunch of juveniles.
Title: Re: What type of fish is this?
Post by: bluestar on August 08, 2014, 09:05:57 PM
This is surprising...  I remember NCKA to be quite a cordial community.
Title: Re: What type of fish is this?
Post by: Mienboy on August 08, 2014, 09:15:58 PM
Sorry you didn't get the answer you were looking for.great group of people here, very honest and very straight forward. Im sure you just peaked everyone's interests and curiosity. Kinda like going to a mechanic and saying something is wrong with my car and saying its making a noise and dripping fluid. Just my .01$
Title: Re: What type of fish is this?
Post by: beerhunter on August 08, 2014, 09:17:55 PM
Come to think of it, I probably won't report back.  Not that I won't get more info about the fish, but because it's quite pointless to deal with a bunch of juveniles.

You asked!  :smt001
Title: Re: What type of fish is this?
Post by: The Inn Keeper on August 08, 2014, 09:26:28 PM
Sorry you are offended,
This community is made up of fisherman that respect our surroundings. When I see a pick of a fresh fish, still in the water, it is assumed a fresh catch (poss a bad assumption). Than an open question about identification. Than a half explanation about fish .....
Maybe I was a little quick on the draw, but you left a lot open for a very bad interpretation 
As stated earlier,
You definitely have our attention,
Please fill in some necessary details.
Title: Re: What type of fish is this?
Post by: rockfish on August 08, 2014, 09:45:35 PM
come on now Bluestar, seriously?  I saw this pic right after you posted and My first thought was "WTF?  head and collar pic only for an  ID?!!??"  to not post the whole fish was rude on your part.  I was very nice and didnt call you out right away, but others, having seen the lack of identifiable information and even waited a good entire before doing so, and you are bumhurt by this??  WE, as a group are respectful, myself not so much all the time, but as a group we are.  you on the other hand failed to meet the minimum requirements for an identifiable picture and are now calling us childish!?!?!


Childish would be to put up a pic of half a head and 2 fins and expect a bunch of expert fishermen and fisheries biologists to play your game and then be upset we don't play by your rules.


next time you want an ID, lets have the whole fish so we can do things like count dorsal rays, position of anal or caudal fins, or even observe the general (even post-mortem) coloration, scale patterns and lateral line details.  As a guy that ID's fish often, these are this things that matter to me.  Mayes and Coons and Bird and 20 others here would agree that these are the details needed for positive identification.
Title: Re: What type of fish is this?
Post by: MontanaN8V on August 08, 2014, 09:46:25 PM
We have all gone for sushi, none of us knew what the hell we were REALLY eating, give the guy a break.
Title: Re: What type of fish is this?
Post by: fishkraft on August 08, 2014, 09:53:49 PM
Escolar
Title: Re: What type of fish is this?
Post by: FishingForTheCure on August 08, 2014, 10:05:16 PM
We have all gone for sushi, none of us knew what the hell we were REALLY eating, give the guy a break.

I ask myself that question any time I pull up to a fastfood joint.
Title: Re: What type of fish is this?
Post by: rockfish on August 08, 2014, 10:06:53 PM
We have all gone for sushi, none of us knew what the hell we were REALLY eating, give the guy a break.


true, the restaurant has never asked me to identify the fish for them either.  So I assume its generic fish
Title: Re: What type of fish is this?
Post by: Mienboy on August 08, 2014, 10:07:59 PM
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/09/ehenysat.jpg)
Title: Re: What type of fish is this?
Post by: Mr.Matt on August 08, 2014, 10:10:47 PM

We have all gone for sushi, none of us knew what the hell we were REALLY eating, give the guy a break.
That roach coach burrito you had for dinner I'd worry about more than sushi!

Title: Re: What type of fish is this?
Post by: masterandahound on August 08, 2014, 11:22:12 PM
Sorry you are offended,
This community is made up of fisherman that respect our surroundings. When I see a pick of a fresh fish, still in the water, it is assumed a fresh catch (poss a bad assumption). Than an open question about identification. Than a half explanation about fish .....
Maybe I was a little quick on the draw, but you left a lot open for a very bad interpretation 
As stated earlier,
You definitely have our attention,
Please fill in some necessary details.
+1
Title: Re: What type of fish is this?
Post by: Bulldog---Alex on August 09, 2014, 05:57:57 AM
Whoa !!! Did you not notice that when it was in the cooler it was pre-sliced. He merely brought out for display. sheeesh ! :smt001 Seriously though, Bad write up has led to all the speculations.

Alex
Title: Re: What type of fish is this?
Post by: trianglelaguna on August 09, 2014, 06:22:22 AM
seems reasonable to me...mean replies will also shorten this fun and informational post/thread...poor guy did not mean to be sneaky or criminal or would not have posted up imo...better pics next time for sure...I have often spoken  to folks otw who kayak a lot ,and lurk on this site, and they have said more often than not that folks on nor cal can be kind of---well---kind of---forget it...I got no doggy in this one

We have all gone for sushi, none of us knew what the hell we were REALLY eating, give the guy a break.
Title: Re: What type of fish is this?
Post by: rockfish on August 09, 2014, 07:03:36 AM
I was not intending to be mean.  just blunt, the line is a fine one tho...
Title: Re: What type of fish is this?
Post by: MontanaN8V on August 09, 2014, 07:15:20 AM
It was ID'd as a sable two pages back.  :smt008
Title: Re: What type of fish is this?
Post by: Clayman on August 09, 2014, 07:23:40 AM
Damn, what a cliffhanger!  Photos that barely allow for an ID, followed by an unexpected story of buying an unknown fish from a mysterious merchant who specializes in selling live fish.  Somehow this reminds me of the movie Gremlins, with the dad buying the Mogwai/Gizmo from the mysterious Asian merchant  :smt044.

I'm still groovy with a sablefish ID, but certainly not 100%.  Bluestar, I hope you come back because your story has me hooked!
Title: Re: What type of fish is this?
Post by: eastonkayaker on August 09, 2014, 08:45:04 AM
Damn, what a cliffhanger!  Photos that barely allow for an ID, followed by an unexpected story of buying an unknown fish from a mysterious merchant who specializes in selling live fish.  Somehow this reminds me of the movie Gremlins, with the dad buying the Mogwai/Gizmo from the mysterious Asian merchant  :smt044.

I'm still groovy with a sablefish ID, but certainly not 100%.  Bluestar, I hope you come back because your story has me hooked!

+1, this thread is great Bluestar, hope you give us "the rest of the story...."
Title: Re: What type of fish is this?
Post by: Malibu_Two on August 10, 2014, 09:43:34 AM
Sablefish are GREAT eating. And I believe they catch them by trap, making by-catch minimal, so it's a good fish to buy in terms of sustainability. They're deep-dwellers, though, so catching with rod and reel is difficult/impossible.
Title: Re: What type of fish is this?
Post by: oldfart on August 10, 2014, 09:59:02 AM
Sable fish AKA black cod are commercially caught by long lining. They have a very high fat content
My father was asked by a friend to smoke some black cod that he brought back from Alaska. There is so much fat in the flesh that fish oil dripped to the bottom of the smoker, filledup the pan and spilled outside the smoker.  The smoked cod finished up being about a third of its original size. The smoker clean up was long and smelly and my father promised to never smoke that stuff again
Title: Re: What type of fish is this?
Post by: trianglelaguna on August 10, 2014, 05:36:03 PM
I was given some by my nephew early this year that he took part in catching long line as a deck hand.
It was so so imo...very slippery and cooked up kind of bland..
I thought by how white and soft it was that it was going to be VERY good-it was okay is all
Title: Re: What type of fish is this?
Post by: trianglelaguna on August 10, 2014, 05:40:08 PM
maybe broiled it would have been crisper...I cooked it on a griddle pan-high heat-fast -with some olive oil
Title: Re: What type of fish is this?
Post by: Sin Coast on August 10, 2014, 08:01:45 PM
I just wanna know how it tasted.  :smt044
Bluestar I hope you have thick skin haha, these guys are just giving you a hard time. But I still want to know what kind of fish it was--I love mystery fish. Next time you see the guy, ask him what it was because I need closure!
If I had to guess, I'd say it's a saltwater fish...maybe pacific whiting or sablefish...both harvested commercially in CA via a few different methods.
Title: Re: What type of fish is this?
Post by: Clayman on August 10, 2014, 08:59:31 PM
The one time I had sablefish was in an Asian stir-fry.  It was EXCELLENT.  The high fat content gives them a buttery flavor.  I wish they didn't live so damn deep so we could catch them!
Title: Re: What type of fish is this?
Post by: RBark on August 10, 2014, 09:07:35 PM
Hey guys. What kind of bird is this?

(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g155/emmasdadwsca/Mobile%20Uploads/E60BA484-9145-4584-8885-A30B7E891649_zpsi3g34d45.jpg) (http://s55.photobucket.com/user/emmasdadwsca/media/Mobile%20Uploads/E60BA484-9145-4584-8885-A30B7E891649_zpsi3g34d45.jpg.html)

I contacted the expert investigators from NCIS. We reverse engineered this image and determined the type of bird it is.

(http://www.themillions.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/570_big-bird-wins.jpg)

Congratulations on killing the dreams and hope of children everywhere.
Title: Re: What type of fish is this?
Post by: rockfish on August 10, 2014, 10:10:14 PM
Yeah, pay no attention to me, I'm a jerk from time to time, like any time after 6pm on monday until 5:30pm on monday.  Sorry about that
Title: Re: What type of fish is this?
Post by: SeaWeed on August 11, 2014, 12:53:08 AM
Just to clarify ...
You bought a fish that you don't know what it is .... You take home and butcher it (without knowing what it is) ..... I can only guess it was processes/cooked/eaten? ...... And now you are asking for identification?
Interesting at best .....
You defiantly have our interest,
Please fill in some blanks

I wonder if it gave him the runs?? or if he got high off it and wants another one.
Title: Re: What type of fish is this?
Post by: SeaWeed on August 11, 2014, 12:59:21 AM
We have all gone for sushi, none of us knew what the hell we were REALLY eating, give the guy a break.

I ask myself that question any time I pull up to a fastfood joint.

Do you guys remember back in late 70's or early 80's Stores were selling hamburger that turned out to be kangeroo meat imported from OZ.
Title: Re: What type of fish is this?
Post by: Sin Coast on August 11, 2014, 09:43:05 AM
The one time I had sablefish was in an Asian stir-fry.  It was EXCELLENT.  The high fat content gives them a buttery flavor.  I wish they didn't live so damn deep so we could catch them!

If you go out of Moss Landing or Carmel, you can get to 800+ft within a few miles of shore. So I looked into it this year, and realized they are on the list of Federally-managed groundfish...which means they are bound to the same depth restrictions as RCG...which is 240ft here.
Title: Re: What type of fish is this?
Post by: polepole on August 11, 2014, 09:48:51 AM
The one time I had sablefish was in an Asian stir-fry.  It was EXCELLENT.  The high fat content gives them a buttery flavor.  I wish they didn't live so damn deep so we could catch them!

If you go out of Moss Landing or Carmel, you can get to 800+ft within a few miles of shore. So I looked into it this year, and realized they are on the list of Federally-managed groundfish...which means they are bound to the same depth restrictions as RCG...which is 240ft here.

You can get the baby ones in <240 ft in the hole right out front of Moss.

-Allen
Title: Re: What type of fish is this?
Post by: Clayman on August 11, 2014, 11:03:29 AM
The one time I had sablefish was in an Asian stir-fry.  It was EXCELLENT.  The high fat content gives them a buttery flavor.  I wish they didn't live so damn deep so we could catch them!

If you go out of Moss Landing or Carmel, you can get to 800+ft within a few miles of shore. So I looked into it this year, and realized they are on the list of Federally-managed groundfish...which means they are bound to the same depth restrictions as RCG...which is 240ft here.
Yeah, the depth restriction was kinda what I was referring to.  Just like how petrale sole are lumped in with federal groundfish and you can't fish for them beyond the max depths described for rockfish.
Title: Re: What type of fish is this?
Post by: Cabeza de Martillo on August 11, 2014, 11:22:09 AM
Yeah, pay no attention to me, I'm a jerk from time to time, like any time after 6pm on monday until 5:30pm on monday.  Sorry about that

Then on Mondays from 5:31PM till 5:59PM you are just an Asshole  :smt005
Title: Re: What type of fish is this?
Post by: rockfish on August 11, 2014, 12:06:25 PM
Yeah, pay no attention to me, I'm a jerk from time to time, like any time after 6pm on monday until 5:30pm on monday.  Sorry about that

Then on Mondays from 5:31PM till 5:59PM you are just an Asshole  :smt005


yep, thats me  :smt006